Nico's punishment.

[deadslow]

Jasandjules said:

chri5 j t said:

Having now seen Rosberg take Hamilton out and the aftermath, ie Rosbergs interviews and him admitting not wanting to back down regardless of the consequences (if I have read it right) I am now further convinced that the Monaco incident was intentional.

Chris.

You are not alone. I gave him the benefit of the doubt at the time. Now I am not so sure.

Yes, its great isn't it? Rosberg really wants it and is properly tough.

[RichB]

deadslow said:

Jasandjules said:

chri5 j t said:

Having now seen Rosberg take Hamilton out and the aftermath, ie Rosbergs interviews and him admitting not wanting to back down regardless of the consequences (if I have read it right) I am now further convinced that the Monaco incident was intentional.
Chris.

You are not alone. I gave him the benefit of the doubt at the time. Now I am not so sure.

Yes, its great isn't it? Rosberg really wants it and is properly tough.

That depends if one accepts that the gamesmanship one sees in football is acceptable in F1. People on Pistonheads are always decrying the way F1 fans have becoming like football supporters. Perhaps this is an example of the sport heading mirroring the fans.

[deadslow]

RichB said:

deadslow said:

Jasandjules said:

chri5 j t said:

Having now seen Rosberg take Hamilton out and the aftermath, ie Rosbergs interviews and him admitting not wanting to back down regardless of the consequences (if I have read it right) I am now further convinced that the Monaco incident was intentional.
Chris.

You are not alone. I gave him the benefit of the doubt at the time. Now I am not so sure.

Yes, its great isn't it? Rosberg really wants it and is properly tough.

That depends if one accepts that the gamesmanship one sees in football is acceptable in F1. People on Pistonheads are always decrying the way F1 fans have becoming like football supporters. Perhaps this is an example of the sport heading mirroring the fans.

No, not really. Football is full of cheats who fall over deliberately if you look at them the wrong way.

It takes more than being able to drive round and round very fast to win F1's greatest prize. Before this season I didn't think NR had it in him. But he is tough, which is a requirement.

It makes for a better season if there is a 'baddie'.

[MGJohn]

Comparison with some, repeat some Football Club Fans has some validity where individual behaviour is concerned. A quick visit to some of the threads over on the Football forum here will soon confirm that.

I too am a fan of the beautiful game but do not support any one club or team. I do like to see British teams do well against foreign competition. I also like to see the London Clubs do well against the strong northern based teams. That can be frustrating.... ... The English National team have also been frustrating to observe for far too long. Huge under achievers and then some.

I am also a fan of Motor Racing, both two and four wheeled top flight stuff such as MotoGP and F1. Not a fan of any drivers but, being British, like to see British success in F1. Here although the Brit drivers can be frustrating to observe, as most of the more successful teams are largely British based, that is rarely frustrating in recent seasons.

[TheRealFingers99]

deadslow said:

Football is full of cheats who fall over deliberately if you look at them the wrong way.

And Liverpool players who just fall over.

Sorry Stevie, been saving that one up............

[andyps]

MGJohn said:

I too am a fan of the beautiful game but do not support any one club or team. I do like to see British teams do well against foreign competition.

I'm not a fan of football and know very little about it but do wonder if it is still appropriate to use the phrase "the beautiful game" as it is so closely associated with a convicted paedophile. Makes it even less of a beautiful game in my view.

[MGJohn]

andyps said:

MGJohn said:

I too am a fan of the beautiful game but do not support any one club or team. I do like to see British teams do well against foreign competition.

I'm not a fan of football and know very little about it but do wonder if it is still appropriate to use the phrase "the beautiful game" as it is so closely associated with a convicted paedophile. Makes it even less of a beautiful game in my view.

Keep in mind I played the beautiful game as a schoolboy. My school games masters frowned on this as poor form as we were required to play only Rugby. However, during the lunch break, two teams soon used a tennis ball and some coats for goal posts. Five, ten sometimes even twenty a side ... Great stuff.

[robbom3]

RichB said:

deadslow said:

Jasandjules said:

chri5 j t said:

Having now seen Rosberg take Hamilton out and the aftermath, ie Rosbergs interviews and him admitting not wanting to back down regardless of the consequences (if I have read it right) I am now further convinced that the Monaco incident was intentional.
Chris.

You are not alone. I gave him the benefit of the doubt at the time. Now I am not so sure.

Yes, its great isn't it? Rosberg really wants it and is properly tough.

That depends if one accepts that the gamesmanship one sees in football is acceptable in F1. People on Pistonheads are always decrying the way F1 fans have becoming like football supporters. Perhaps this is an example of the sport heading mirroring the fans.

gamesmanship !?!?
Let's call it what it is. CHEATING.
Let's face it, Rosberg has got what he wanted. A very healthy lead in the championship. He'll consider any punishment that doesn't require him to directly give up at least 18 points to Lewis as a bit of a result.

[McClure]

robbom3 said:

gamesmanship !?!?
Let's call it what it is. CHEATING.
Let's face it, Rosberg has got what he wanted. A very healthy lead in the championship. He'll consider any punishment that doesn't require him to directly give up at least 18 points to Lewis as a bit of a result.

Rosberg must be laughing in the privacy of his home - makes two "mistakes" (Monaco & Spa), giving him a significant lead and likely title win, Hamilton is on the verge of being forced out giving Rosberg an easier run to a second title next year, and all he got in return is a fine when he has money to burn. Brilliant.

[Garvin]

deadslow said:

Yes, its great isn't it? Rosberg really wants it and is properly tough.

No he isn't. Being beaten on the track, taking it on the chin, upping your game and coming back to compete is 'properly tough'. Spoiling other competitors qualifying by underhand tactics, driving into competitors because you realise you're outclassed and your weak temperament can't take it is just plain cowardly.

[deadslow]

Garvin said:

deadslow said:

Yes, its great isn't it? Rosberg really wants it and is properly tough.

No he isn't. Being beaten on the track, taking it on the chin, upping your game and coming back to compete is 'properly tough'. Spoiling other competitors qualifying by underhand tactics, driving into competitors because you realise you're outclassed and your weak temperament can't take it is just plain cowardly.

Dry your eyes, pal. No other decent driver thinks NR has done anything wrong. LH has done plenty pushing and shoving and is no shrinking violet. At their level, its a tough sport and all the better for it.

[andyps]

deadslow said:

Dry your eyes, pal. No other decent driver thinks NR has done anything wrong. LH has done plenty pushing and shoving and is no shrinking violet. At their level, its a tough sport and all the better for it.

Not sure you are right - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115695

[Garvin]

deadslow said:

Garvin said:

deadslow said:

Yes, its great isn't it? Rosberg really wants it and is properly tough.

No he isn't. Being beaten on the track, taking it on the chin, upping your game and coming back to compete is 'properly tough'. Spoiling other competitors qualifying by underhand tactics, driving into competitors because you realise you're outclassed and your weak temperament can't take it is just plain cowardly.

Dry your eyes, pal. No other decent driver thinks NR has done anything wrong. LH has done plenty pushing and shoving and is no shrinking violet. At their level, its a tough sport and all the better for it.

If, by pushing and shoving, you mean wheel to wheel racing then I am all for it. Some of the close racing between Mansell and Senna back in the day made for great racing - they were 'properly tough' but they never, as far as I recall, deliberately drove into one another (unlike Senna and Prost of course). However NR's recent actions have been similar to the actions of Michael Schumacher and have no part in real sport.

I would loved to have seen LH and NR battle it out for the whole race - would have been good for F1 but NR's petulance put paid to that early on and deprived all true F1 fans of some great racing.

If you like watching unskilled drivers ramming each other then Demolition Derby is the sport for you, not F1.

[TheRealFingers99]

andyps said:

deadslow said:

Dry your eyes, pal. No other decent driver thinks NR has done anything wrong. LH has done plenty pushing and shoving and is no shrinking violet. At their level, its a tough sport and all the better for it.

Not sure you are right - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115695

If you read the article, Button clearly states "We all pushed for more aggressive racing, and I'm sure you [the media] all wanted the same thing. You can't have it both ways."

Still, Vettel and Alonso have both dismissed it as an incident. The only people who seem to see it otherwise are Hamilton and his [irony] life long chum Massa [/irony].

Time to move on.

[VladD]

TheRealFingers99 said:

The only people who seem to see it otherwise are Hamilton and his life long chum Massa .

Lauda?

Edited by VladD on Friday 5th September 15:14

[TheRealFingers99]

VladD said:

Lauda?

I don't think Lauda sees it as more than an incident. One that should have been avoided, of course, a damn silly one, of course, but nothing more.

You can imagine Lauda and Wolff going ballistic had the stewards intervened against Rosberg.

Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Friday 5th September 14:04

[RichB]

deadslow said:

No other decent driver thinks NR has done anything wrong..

Of course he did something wrong, he was clumsy in re-joining his position behind the car in front and broke his wing.

[toppstuff]

RichB said:

deadslow said:

No other decent driver thinks NR has done anything wrong..

Of course he did something wrong, he was clumsy in re-joining his position behind the car in front and broke his wing.

Indeed. I think there are plenty of people who recognise how it is possible to use the front wing almost like a blade. A good driver can place the wing 'just so", so that it punctures the car ahead. I think it was pre-meditated. Schumi would be proud of the lad Rosberg.

[Sir Bagalot]

toppstuff said:

I think it was pre-meditated. Schumi would be proud of the lad Rosberg.

What we would love to see, as a F1 fan, is Schumi to say 'That's ma boy' followed by a Mutley laugh

[John D.]

Sir Bagalot said:

toppstuff said:

I think it was pre-meditated. Schumi would be proud of the lad Rosberg.

What we would love to see, as a F1 fan, is Schumi to say 'That's ma boy' followed by a Mutley laugh

That would have been quite apt after Monaco.