The Official 2014 Italian GP Thread ***Spoilers***
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ash73 said:
andyps said:
Didn't Nico miss the chicane in sector 1 and wasn't that where he was quicker than Lewis in qualifying? Maybe he was just closer to the limit there and crossed that limit a couple of times yesterday trying to capitalise on where he knew he had an advantage?
Nico was running less wing, so he was faster in S1 on the straight and slower in S2 through the Lesmos. I read somewhere Lewis carried 15kph more into the first Lesmo during quali, but it was partly because of the different setup. Both drivers were struggling with braking apparently, remember Lewis locking up towards the end of the race?Nico was just a bit over the limit as you say, unlucky really.
VladD said:
The Mark Hughes report is a good read. Has some interesting bits on Nico's chcane misses. The comments afterwards are best avoided though.
Very goodScuffers said:
Apparently, Lewis runs more rear brake bias, this is also why Lewis gets more out of his mgu -k and thus has a lower fuel consumption.
Its his driving style - he trail brakes to get the car to turn in and rotate. The added benefit is he's harvesting more brake energy and thus less fuel.Nico is more your classical smooth driver. That's why he had less of problem managing brakes than Lewis in Canada. Nothing to do with brains as it was much easier for Nico back off than to adapt to car and driving style.
entropy said:
Its his driving style - he trail brakes to get the car to turn in and rotate. The added benefit is he's harvesting more brake energy and thus less fuel.
Nico is more your classical smooth driver. That's why he had less of problem managing brakes than Lewis in Canada. Nothing to do with brains as it was much easier for Nico back off than to adapt to car and driving style.
Surely all of the drivers trail brake? Why wouldn't they?Nico is more your classical smooth driver. That's why he had less of problem managing brakes than Lewis in Canada. Nothing to do with brains as it was much easier for Nico back off than to adapt to car and driving style.
rigga said:
Conspiracy theory doesn't hold much weight if you look at the outcome, if Nico deliberately missed turn one to allow Lewis through for the win and some payback, he's still 18 point's to the good, so hardly paying back for his mistake in spa ....
Depends what the disciplinary action was. Maybe it was to hand a win to Lewis?We will never know, but wheres theres smoke!
rigga said:
Conspiracy theory doesn't hold much weight if you look at the outcome, if Nico deliberately missed turn one to allow Lewis through for the win and some payback, he's still 18 point's to the good, so hardly paying back for his mistake in spa ....
Yeah he messed up. He was supposed to damage the car and retire. Can't even get that right. 
tenpenceshort said:
RemarkLima said:
Oh, he is quick, we all know that! But the car isn't that bad, kimi is just bored IMHO so not really indicative of the cars pace.
But then alonso "always" has a dog of a car, even when challenging for the WDC!
I'm not convinced he's bored. We know he is sensitive to how the controls feel, look at his issues with Lotus and steering in previous seasons. The impression I get is that he has issues with braking, as the current regs have badly changed brake feel and behaviour. Monza is a track that's going to exaggerate any braking issues.But then alonso "always" has a dog of a car, even when challenging for the WDC!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_yHU_nwy1c
Was it 2007 when Dyer drastically altered the Ferrari so it better suited Kimi?
mollytherocker said:
entropy said:
Its his driving style - he trail brakes to get the car to turn in and rotate. The added benefit is he's harvesting more brake energy and thus less fuel.
Nico is more your classical smooth driver. That's why he had less of problem managing brakes than Lewis in Canada. Nothing to do with brains as it was much easier for Nico back off than to adapt to car and driving style.
Surely all of the drivers trail brake? Why wouldn't they?Nico is more your classical smooth driver. That's why he had less of problem managing brakes than Lewis in Canada. Nothing to do with brains as it was much easier for Nico back off than to adapt to car and driving style.
From what I have read recently in Motorsport, Hamilton is happy with more turn-in oversteer than most drivers. This is supposed to help him execute out-braking manoeuvres as it doesn't bother him the car getting out of shape.
entropy said:
Scuffers said:
Apparently, Lewis runs more rear brake bias, this is also why Lewis gets more out of his mgu -k and thus has a lower fuel consumption.
Its his driving style - he trail brakes to get the car to turn in and rotate. The added benefit is he's harvesting more brake energy and thus less fuel.Nico is more your classical smooth driver. That's why he had less of problem managing brakes than Lewis in Canada. Nothing to do with brains as it was much easier for Nico back off than to adapt to car and driving style.
Canada's brake problem was because ERS failed, and at the time they did not realise quickly enough what the effect on the (smaller) rear brakes would be.
At Monza, if you read the reports, Nico was having rear brake issues, hence why he was moving the bias forward (leading to him snatching the fronts and running on).
Lewis on day one of his F1 debut has shown that he likes to 'slide' the car into corners on the brakes (at a time when everybody said with the grooved tyres that was impossible)
Slightly random thought after something said on the BBC. A lot of very young people coming into F1 and many paying rather than being paid.
If the economic dynamics and demographics of F1 are changing so that the grid will comprise of all young kids who if they cannot bring money the next year are replaced with another young kid won't the sport lose what makes it a 'sport' rather than a business?
Isn't it quite important to have a spread of drivers who have relatively long histories? How could a fan base evolve around someone who just appears and then disappears? And also, does the average F1 fan sitting at home want to be hearing the thoughts and views of kids a third of their age? What is there to relate to?
Doesn't F1 need people like Barrichello or Alonzo etc who have been around for a long enough time for people to enjoy the theatre of their ups and downs, their spats, rivalries etc etc?
If every driver was a bank rolling teenager who lasted until another one appeared with more money then I have a feeling F1 is dead at that point.
Add to that, if you can really only get to the top with a backer then you are only going to get a specific type of driver and below F1 the whole sporting field will change?
Also these last few seasons, as an Englishman, it's interesting to contrast the brands that are stuck over the cars these days in relation to just a decade ago. These aren't the big Western multinationals any more. So are they indicative of the money and relevant eyeballs being outside of the traditional 'West' or that the industry can't attract the multinationals any more?
If the economic dynamics and demographics of F1 are changing so that the grid will comprise of all young kids who if they cannot bring money the next year are replaced with another young kid won't the sport lose what makes it a 'sport' rather than a business?
Isn't it quite important to have a spread of drivers who have relatively long histories? How could a fan base evolve around someone who just appears and then disappears? And also, does the average F1 fan sitting at home want to be hearing the thoughts and views of kids a third of their age? What is there to relate to?
Doesn't F1 need people like Barrichello or Alonzo etc who have been around for a long enough time for people to enjoy the theatre of their ups and downs, their spats, rivalries etc etc?
If every driver was a bank rolling teenager who lasted until another one appeared with more money then I have a feeling F1 is dead at that point.
Add to that, if you can really only get to the top with a backer then you are only going to get a specific type of driver and below F1 the whole sporting field will change?
Also these last few seasons, as an Englishman, it's interesting to contrast the brands that are stuck over the cars these days in relation to just a decade ago. These aren't the big Western multinationals any more. So are they indicative of the money and relevant eyeballs being outside of the traditional 'West' or that the industry can't attract the multinationals any more?
This may be of interest to sum. Each drivers time for each lap. Select, deselect, whatever.
Shows Vettels early pit wasn't the best tactic when compared to DRs times in the last 10 or so laps.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/09/07/2014-italian...
Shows Vettels early pit wasn't the best tactic when compared to DRs times in the last 10 or so laps.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/09/07/2014-italian...
rigga said:
Conspiracy theory doesn't hold much weight if you look at the outcome, if Nico deliberately missed turn one to allow Lewis through for the win and some payback, he's still 18 point's to the good, so hardly paying back for his mistake in spa ....
Actually it would be 11 points as swapping the lead is effectivly a 14 point swing.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff