The Official 2014 Italian GP Thread ***Spoilers***
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rigga said:
VladD said:
Actually it would be 11 points as swapping the lead is effectivly a 14 point swing.
No over the two races in question,spa for Rosbergs mistake and monza for the alleged conspiracy giving points back to Lewis, it's still 18Monza could have been Hamilton 18, Rosberg 25, but was Hamilton 25, Rosberg 18. So 14 points difference.
25 - 14 = 11, or am I missing a nuance somewhere?
MGJohn said:
zoom star said:
I was watching the BBC, and was surprised to hear NR,during LH charge behind, at one point tell his race engineer,who was giving NR information,''I don't want to know how fast Lewis is catching me, don't tell me''
My wife, and I thought this sounded like a person very much up against it, so to speak..
I also smiled when LH race engineer told Lewis ''It's hammer time''
Riciardo,is having a ball, I would say,nice to see the dummy passes he pulled.
The demeanour of both Merc drivers pre, during and post the Monza race somehow does not ring true to me. Quite puzzling. Why would any "competing" driver NOT want to know information like that? Most odd.My wife, and I thought this sounded like a person very much up against it, so to speak..
I also smiled when LH race engineer told Lewis ''It's hammer time''
Riciardo,is having a ball, I would say,nice to see the dummy passes he pulled.
BlimeyCharlie said:
If Mercedes wanted Nico Rosberg to let Hamilton through, the easy way would be a slow pit stop, with Niki and Toto actually changing the wheels.
"Need to know" basis ~ the fewer the better.
Remember, Rosberg has form with locking up accidentally - as well as Canada he accidentally locked in in Monaco, remember? 
(Sorry, a lot meant tounge-in-cheek by the way),
NRS said:
MGJohn said:
zoom star said:
I was watching the BBC, and was surprised to hear NR,during LH charge behind, at one point tell his race engineer,who was giving NR information,''I don't want to know how fast Lewis is catching me, don't tell me''
My wife, and I thought this sounded like a person very much up against it, so to speak..
I also smiled when LH race engineer told Lewis ''It's hammer time''
Riciardo,is having a ball, I would say,nice to see the dummy passes he pulled.
The demeanour of both Merc drivers pre, during and post the Monza race somehow does not ring true to me. Quite puzzling. Why would any "competing" driver NOT want to know information like that? Most odd.My wife, and I thought this sounded like a person very much up against it, so to speak..
I also smiled when LH race engineer told Lewis ''It's hammer time''
Riciardo,is having a ball, I would say,nice to see the dummy passes he pulled.
BlimeyCharlie said:
If Mercedes wanted Nico Rosberg to let Hamilton through, the easy way would be a slow pit stop, with Niki and Toto actually changing the wheels.
"Need to know" basis ~ the fewer the better. Remember, Rosberg has form with locking up accidentally - as well as Canada he accidentally locked in in Monaco, remember? (Sorry, a lot meant tounge-in-cheek by the way),
SlipStream77 said:
mollytherocker said:
Surely all of the drivers trail brake? Why wouldn't they?
They do, they probably wouldn't qualify if they didn't!I try to keep an eye on the driver inputs where possible and I cant recall any trail braking.
Of course, I'm sitting behind a keyboard and never driven a racing car in my life. There's the slightest chance I'm completely wrong...
LDN said:
MGJohn: conspiracy mocker turns conspiracy trotter in a conspiracy shocker...
Powered by beta-blocker with twin rocker cocker.NRS said:
So now you're swapping from the conspiracy theory mocker to the one suggesting it may have happened? I'm not saying you were not potentially right with the mocking earlier, but why have it both ways? It sounds a bit fanboy-ish almost actually! Remember, Rosberg has form with locking up accidentally - as well as Canada he accidentally locked in in Monaco, remember?
(Sorry, a lot meant tounge-in-cheek by the way),
Over the past couple of days, have several times watched BBC's Monza highlights which was on for many hours on a loop whilst I trawled the web on the laptop. Remember, Rosberg has form with locking up accidentally - as well as Canada he accidentally locked in in Monaco, remember? (Sorry, a lot meant tounge-in-cheek by the way),
Both Hamilton and Rosberg were uber-cool in the post race interviews I saw. Beyond merely professional.
Rosberg surprised me by being almost content with the race outcome with a tad of "Job done" smugness during that brief interview. That mainly and one or two other things which as previously mentioned, did not ring true.
So, something or nothing. Doubt if we will ever know.
In any event, not good having all this stuff hitting the fan.
If there was some covert arrangement as a result of a directive from Stuttgart "on high" to a key MB-GP team management member to "make it so" strictly on a one-to-one basis and nobody else needs to know. That's what they are paid for.
Stretching things a bit far there John Boy .... there again ... fact often more unreal than fiction. :dunno:
MGJohn said:
Over the past couple of days, have several times watched BBC's Monza highlights which was on for many hours on a loop whilst I trawled the web on the laptop.
Both Hamilton and Rosberg were uber-cool in the post race interviews I saw. Beyond merely professional.
Rosberg surprised me by being almost content with the race outcome with a tad of "Job done" smugness during that brief interview. That mainly and one or two other things which as previously mentioned, did not ring true.
So, something or nothing. Doubt if we will ever know.
In any event, not good having all this stuff hitting the fan.
If there was some covert arrangement as a result of a directive from Stuttgart "on high" to a key MB-GP team management member to "make it so" strictly on a one-to-one basis and nobody else needs to know. That's what they are paid for.
Stretching things a bit far there John Boy .... there again ... fact often more unreal than fiction. :dunno:
Yet surely the same things could be said by those going for the German Driver theory, or Monaco accident/ Crashgate theories. They could just be accidents, but for many people they don't ring true. And when you combine team orders being allowed, the team most likely wanting to show that it is controlling the drivers, Rosberg not wanting to be embarrassed... well, it makes it very unlikely... perhaps more unlikely than a driver deliberately trying to hurt his (only) rival perhaps?! I do think you're having double standards on these conspiracy theories when all have equal "evidence" and justification behind them. Rosberg has shown he is very good in consistency, not rushing overtakes etc, but his weakest area is under pressure on track, when he often locks up when Hamilton is approaching from behind. So it's not a surprise now.Both Hamilton and Rosberg were uber-cool in the post race interviews I saw. Beyond merely professional.
Rosberg surprised me by being almost content with the race outcome with a tad of "Job done" smugness during that brief interview. That mainly and one or two other things which as previously mentioned, did not ring true.
So, something or nothing. Doubt if we will ever know.
In any event, not good having all this stuff hitting the fan.
If there was some covert arrangement as a result of a directive from Stuttgart "on high" to a key MB-GP team management member to "make it so" strictly on a one-to-one basis and nobody else needs to know. That's what they are paid for.
Stretching things a bit far there John Boy .... there again ... fact often more unreal than fiction. :dunno:
I think the reason Rosberg has perhaps changed is that he is not happy to be thought of as a cheat - and particularly so if he actually did none of these things deliberately. That and the team seeming to support Hamilton. It has to have affected him. Since he's someone who doesn't tend to share his emotions and private life it's then likely that would be shown by him retreating from sharing even more (the opposite of Hamilton a lot of the time).
THX said:
I'm not sure they do? Surely without the aerodynamic forces at work there's too much a chance of locking up. They slam them on, then lift as they approach the corner. Neutral then power...
I try to keep an eye on the driver inputs where possible and I cant recall any trail braking.
Of course, I'm sitting behind a keyboard and never driven a racing car in my life. There's the slightest chance I'm completely wrong...
I am afraid that you are indeed completely wrong. They are generally braking to the apex, but in a very controlled manner. Its basic racecraft. The transition from braking to acceleration is absolutely key! They set up the car to maximise this aspect of control. Its a VERY big subject.I try to keep an eye on the driver inputs where possible and I cant recall any trail braking.
Of course, I'm sitting behind a keyboard and never driven a racing car in my life. There's the slightest chance I'm completely wrong...
Speed trap here. I smell a rat. Marussias and Caterhams ahead of Rosberg?
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