Will the radio ban help Lewis?

Will the radio ban help Lewis?

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Dunit

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637 posts

205 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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The radio ban thats starts next GP may help Lewis as he seems to be able to drive around problems ,Mind you Nico has greater mechanicle savvy to work it out himself so it could help him.

Daston

6,075 posts

203 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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Is it a full radio ban? I thought they were just going to stop mechanics from telling the drivers how to drive.

scubadude

2,618 posts

197 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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Dunit said:
Mind you Nico has greater mechanicle savvy to work it out himself so it could help him.
Evidence for this is?....

Everyone excuses LH of being an unthinking drove-it-like-you-stole-it loon yet this year he regularly has been more economical and seems to have mastered the complex power units as well as most drivers so must have some mechanical intelligence?

Teams will just duct tape a mobile to the chassis and text the driver instructions :-)

vinnie01

863 posts

119 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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May be less of a distraction for Raikonen

rubystone

11,254 posts

259 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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I wonder how the likes of "multi 13" or "position 4" might be interpreted? I'm sure some teams already have the codes worked out...

Dunit

Original Poster:

637 posts

205 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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scubadude said:
Dunit said:
Mind you Nico has greater mechanicle savvy to work it out himself so it could help him.
Evidence for this is?....

Everyone excuses LH of being an unthinking drove-it-like-you-stole-it loon yet this year he regularly has been more economical and seems to have mastered the complex power units as well as most drivers so must have some mechanical intelligence?

Teams will just duct tape a mobile to the chassis and text the driver instructions :-)
Nico seems to spend alot of time with his engineers working out what does what and why. Where as Lewis could get a time out of a lawn mower!
Much like Clark and Hill used to be in the old days.

gherkins

483 posts

231 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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How will they stop them talking in code? Seems too difficult to police.

Edited by gherkins on Thursday 11th September 14:17

chris_w

2,564 posts

259 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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Dunit said:
Nico seems to spend alot of time with his engineers working out what does what and why. Where as Lewis could get a time out of a lawn mower!
Much like Clark and Hill used to be in the old days.
Hamilton also has developed the ability to make strategy calls for himself though, as at Monza last week when he attacked early against the team's suggestion.

Mini1275

11,098 posts

182 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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If anybody it'll affect Rosberg more, he's always on the radio asking for 'driving advice please'.

Sometimes I think he should just let his race engineer drive.

JonRB

74,543 posts

272 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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gherkins said:
How will they stop them talking in code? Seems to difficult to police.
yes It'll be very difficult to police indeed.

Unless they're going to ban "please switch to mixture 5 and save fuel" (where 'Mixture 5' actually means something similar to what Multi 21 did) then it's going to be pretty impossible.

Agent Orange

2,194 posts

246 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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Fully expect Williams to announce that due to contractual issues Massa will not be driving the remaining races and Rob Smedley will take his place. winkbiggrin

HDM

340 posts

191 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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gherkins said:
How will they stop them talking in code? Seems too difficult to police.

Edited by gherkins on Thursday 11th September 14:17
The website F1 fanatic made a good observation in their transcript of the radio transmissions from the Italian GP:

"Drivers use a switch to report the state of their tyres to the team without giving that potentially valuable information over the radios.
And let us know how the tyres are on the HPP switch."

zac510

5,546 posts

206 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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It's still unclear to me too.. What about "You're using too much fuel" , is that banned? I guess it's something they can get on the steering display so they don't need it over radio either.

entropy

5,435 posts

203 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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Daston said:
Is it a full radio ban? I thought they were just going to stop mechanics from telling the drivers how to drive.
Or ban telemetry/spec telemetry or go back to data acquisition ie. download onto laptop?

Gaz. said:
Massa & Perez would be absolutely screwed. Massa & Smedley and then Vettel & Roquelin arguably pioneered this kind of partnership.

Cairon Pilbeam & Webber, Stella & Alonso had the balance just right, they give their charges a run down of the race plan, who they are racing now, who they'll be meeting on the way and who they expect to be racing in the closing stages, the strategy of their immediate rivals both fore and aft and anything they ought to be aware of such as the car 4 places up being on a harder tyre and likely to run long and regular weather updates/saftey car issues.

On the other end of the scale you have Mclaren with their drivers pulling teeth trying to extract any information from their engineers, even having ask what tyres they are going onto as they enter the pit lane.
Partnerships have been going on for years. You get drivers who go through different race engineers mainly because the relationship isn't quite right.

Bit unfair on McLaren. Lewis can be err a bit emotional. One minute he wants to be left alone or talk only on straights, then another moment he's complaining doesn't have enough info. Happened a lot last year. We the public are only privy to snippets of excerpts.

There's so much data available these days. Yesteryear intrateam rivalry involved playing mind games. Piquet and his engineer would relay false information in Williams debriefs then Mansell did the same to Piquet - Mansell kept the optimum active suspension setting to himself.

rdjohn

6,177 posts

195 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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I hope that it also includes the electronic beeps that tell the driver when to lift, or shift gear.

I think that the use of these turns the driver into remote controlled robots, effectively left to just steer the car.

A fuel meter showing red to "back off" and green if "within target", should be the only information provided during a race. All other parameters, like target deltas, should only be discussed before the race.

Actual racing is hopefully about to get better, the WDC will be worth much more, whoever wins. It will separate the wheat from the chaff.

JonRB

74,543 posts

272 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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Apart from the odd gem like Kimi's "Leave alone; I know what I'm doing", I generally find pit radio either boring or irritating. Whiny "Sir! Sir! He's not playing fair!" type stuff I find particularly irritating.

RichB

51,567 posts

284 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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zac510 said:
.. What about "You're using too much fuel" , is that banned? I guess it's something they can get on the steering display so they don't need it over radio either.
What like a fuel gauge, how retro laugh

JonRB

74,543 posts

272 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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RichB said:
What like a fuel gauge, how retro laugh
It would need to be a little more complex than that. But a range indicator like many road cars have, coupled with distance remaining, and a warning if one exceeds the other, would probably do the trick.

eps

6,296 posts

269 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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From Planet-F1

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The F1 drivers will now have to race their cars alone after the FIA banned radio transmissions related to the "performance of the car or driver."
"

Esseesse

8,969 posts

208 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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This sounds like a good thing, 1st I've heard about it.