Will the radio ban help Lewis?
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I think this is a silly rule. It's virtually unenforceable. How are we as viewers supposed understand the drama as it unfolds if a driver is struggling with something and the team aren't even allowed to talk to him about it?
It'll go the same way as the team orders ban by the beginning of next year.
It'll go the same way as the team orders ban by the beginning of next year.
Gary C said:
Oh come on. The drivers still drive the car. The info between pits and driver helped them go faster and gave us some interesting insights into what's happening.
The enforcement is just because BE and co are worried how it 'looks' to some clueless fans who don't realise it's actually a team sport.
But it also served to remove the differentials between teammates. The enforcement is just because BE and co are worried how it 'looks' to some clueless fans who don't realise it's actually a team sport.
The team would just say "driver b is braking later in turn 5" and there goes the tenth of a second that driver had.
London424 said:
But it also served to remove the differentials between teammates.
The team would just say "driver b is braking later in turn 5" and there goes the tenth of a second that driver had.
And this is what I suspect Merc have stopped - telling Nico where Lewis is faster. Which is why he was that much faster last race. Let's see if it continues this weekend (I suspect so!).The team would just say "driver b is braking later in turn 5" and there goes the tenth of a second that driver had.
Jasandjules said:
London424 said:
But it also served to remove the differentials between teammates.
The team would just say "driver b is braking later in turn 5" and there goes the tenth of a second that driver had.
And this is what I suspect Merc have stopped - telling Nico where Lewis is faster. Which is why he was that much faster last race. Let's see if it continues this weekend (I suspect so!).The team would just say "driver b is braking later in turn 5" and there goes the tenth of a second that driver had.
Jasandjules said:
And this is what I suspect Merc have stopped - telling Nico where Lewis is faster. Which is why he was that much faster last race. Let's see if it continues this weekend (I suspect so!).
But they are still allowed to give that sort of information, just not via the radio or pit-boards. So that means when the drivers are not on the track. It will give them less time to implement changes according to what they learn about the other drivers but even between the first run in Q3 and the final run there will be a chance for the drivers to be told where their team mate has an advantage.
skinny said:
umm balls out driving definitely won't happen if they don't know how much fuel they have left
unknown fuel levels and running out just before end of race didn't stop balls-out driving from Alesi, Mansell et al. Mansell even pushed his car across the finish line when he ran out of juice 
FIA revises radio ban to driver performance only
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2014/9/1636...
Messages not permitted (by radio or pit board)
- Driving lines on the circuit.
- Contact with kerbs.
- Car set up parameters for specific corners.
- Comparative or absolute sector time detail of another driver.
- Speeds in corners compared to another driver.
- Gear selection compared with another driver.
- Gear selection in general.
- Braking points.
- Rate of braking compared to another driver.
- Rate of braking or application of brakes in general.
- Car stability under braking.
- Throttle application compared to another driver.
- Throttle application in general.
- Use of DRS compared with another driver.
- Use of any overtake button.
- Driving technique in general.
Charlie Whiting is becoming a bit of a joke. The way he handled the fuel sensors at the beginning of the season was extremely poor and this too.
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2014/9/1636...
Messages not permitted (by radio or pit board)
- Driving lines on the circuit.
- Contact with kerbs.
- Car set up parameters for specific corners.
- Comparative or absolute sector time detail of another driver.
- Speeds in corners compared to another driver.
- Gear selection compared with another driver.
- Gear selection in general.
- Braking points.
- Rate of braking compared to another driver.
- Rate of braking or application of brakes in general.
- Car stability under braking.
- Throttle application compared to another driver.
- Throttle application in general.
- Use of DRS compared with another driver.
- Use of any overtake button.
- Driving technique in general.
Charlie Whiting is becoming a bit of a joke. The way he handled the fuel sensors at the beginning of the season was extremely poor and this too.
andyps said:
But they are still allowed to give that sort of information, just not via the radio or pit-boards. So that means when the drivers are not on the track. .
Yes be that as it may I suspect Merc have decided (as part of the "puncture" issue) to no longer provide information to Nico as to where Lewis is faster. This is why I suspect that Lewis was 0.3Sec clear on the last Quali. IF he is 0.2-0.5s clear on Pole on Sunday, I will think I am even more correct. This would to my mind explain why it was so close before and suddenly there is a gap...andyps said:
Jasandjules said:
And this is what I suspect Merc have stopped - telling Nico where Lewis is faster. Which is why he was that much faster last race. Let's see if it continues this weekend (I suspect so!).
But they are still allowed to give that sort of information, just not via the radio or pit-boards. So that means when the drivers are not on the track. It will give them less time to implement changes according to what they learn about the other drivers but even between the first run in Q3 and the final run there will be a chance for the drivers to be told where their team mate has an advantage.At the moment the driver is told during the practice session and can then work over a few laps on adjusting to that new braking point...doing it first time out where you don't know if you're going to go straight on because you haven't quite picked the right spot is very different.
Agent Orange said:
FIA revises radio ban to driver performance only
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2014/9/1636...
Messages not permitted (by radio or pit board)
- Driving lines on the circuit.
- Contact with kerbs.
- Car set up parameters for specific corners.
- Comparative or absolute sector time detail of another driver.
- Speeds in corners compared to another driver.
- Gear selection compared with another driver.
- Gear selection in general.
- Braking points.
- Rate of braking compared to another driver.
- Rate of braking or application of brakes in general.
- Car stability under braking.
- Throttle application compared to another driver.
- Throttle application in general.
- Use of DRS compared with another driver.
- Use of any overtake button.
- Driving technique in general.
Charlie Whiting is becoming a bit of a joke. The way he handled the fuel sensors at the beginning of the season was extremely poor and this too.
These changes seen pretty sensible to me. So now they can warn drivers about fuel consumption, tyre wear, etc, but scrap the stupid instructions we've had this year in particular where they're telling drivers exactly how to drive each corner compared to their team-mates.http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2014/9/1636...
Messages not permitted (by radio or pit board)
- Driving lines on the circuit.
- Contact with kerbs.
- Car set up parameters for specific corners.
- Comparative or absolute sector time detail of another driver.
- Speeds in corners compared to another driver.
- Gear selection compared with another driver.
- Gear selection in general.
- Braking points.
- Rate of braking compared to another driver.
- Rate of braking or application of brakes in general.
- Car stability under braking.
- Throttle application compared to another driver.
- Throttle application in general.
- Use of DRS compared with another driver.
- Use of any overtake button.
- Driving technique in general.
Charlie Whiting is becoming a bit of a joke. The way he handled the fuel sensors at the beginning of the season was extremely poor and this too.
Jasandjules said:
andyps said:
But they are still allowed to give that sort of information, just not via the radio or pit-boards. So that means when the drivers are not on the track. .
Yes be that as it may I suspect Merc have decided (as part of the "puncture" issue) to no longer provide information to Nico as to where Lewis is faster. This is why I suspect that Lewis was 0.3Sec clear on the last Quali. IF he is 0.2-0.5s clear on Pole on Sunday, I will think I am even more correct. This would to my mind explain why it was so close before and suddenly there is a gap...LDN said:
Jasandjules said:
andyps said:
But they are still allowed to give that sort of information, just not via the radio or pit-boards. So that means when the drivers are not on the track. .
Yes be that as it may I suspect Merc have decided (as part of the "puncture" issue) to no longer provide information to Nico as to where Lewis is faster. This is why I suspect that Lewis was 0.3Sec clear on the last Quali. IF he is 0.2-0.5s clear on Pole on Sunday, I will think I am even more correct. This would to my mind explain why it was so close before and suddenly there is a gap...andyps said:
Jasandjules said:
And this is what I suspect Merc have stopped - telling Nico where Lewis is faster. Which is why he was that much faster last race. Let's see if it continues this weekend (I suspect so!).
But they are still allowed to give that sort of information, just not via the radio or pit-boards. So that means when the drivers are not on the track. It will give them less time to implement changes according to what they learn about the other drivers but even between the first run in Q3 and the final run there will be a chance for the drivers to be told where their team mate has an advantage.Maybe the reason Nico (deliberately,
) was able to crash into Hamilton was that he was testing a HUD that also had a targeting device which meant he was able to hit him perfectly to take him out? Kind of a missile lock for F1 as it were.
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