Will the radio ban help Lewis?
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Jas, that's the kind of thing I'm sure they can put as a warning on the driver's dashboard - a warning light if the heat or heat difference (f-r) is too extreme.
It seems there's an exception there in the event of risk of total brake failure, it could probably come under "Information concerning damage to the car."
It seems there's an exception there in the event of risk of total brake failure, it could probably come under "Information concerning damage to the car."
"Sector time detail of a competitor and where a competitor is faster or slower."
Being cynical here, but is a teammate a competitor? They're competing in the event, but not necessarily against their teammate? :-)
I can see the spirit of the rule being obviously not, but we all know F1 and the spirit of the rules aren't the best of bed fellows ;-)
Being cynical here, but is a teammate a competitor? They're competing in the event, but not necessarily against their teammate? :-)
I can see the spirit of the rule being obviously not, but we all know F1 and the spirit of the rules aren't the best of bed fellows ;-)
I think the radio ban will make life more difficult for virtually every driver. I think it will actually reduce fan enjoyment and involvement because what they are being restricted to saying is virtually nothing. For example they will now be banned from telling the driver how their sector times compare to a competitor.... this seems madness to me. I enjoy hearing where driver A is faster than driver B and how they are achieving it; it highlights the differences in style.
Edited by VolvoT5 on Tuesday 16th September 08:29
VolvoT5 said:
I really it will actually reduce fan enjoyment and involvement because what they are being restricted to saying is virtually nothing. For example they will now be banned from telling the driver how their sector times compare to a competitor.... this seems madness to me. I enjoy hearing where driver A is faster than driver B and how they are achieving it; it highlights the differences in style.
I'm not so sure. I suspect that the amount of information that drivers are given in real time has the effect of homogenising them. If Lewis is quicker in a sector than Nico, then Nico's engineers will be all over the data and then telling Nico exactly how and where Lewis is quicker and how to emulate him. And vice versa, obviously. The net effect is averaging the two drivers. Personally I'd rather the drivers kept their own strengths and weaknesses, or learned them through observation whilst following for a lap or two. Because that separates the exceptional drivers from the really good ones.
In effect, the level of team radio we have been having is akin to a drivers aid, and we know that those are averagers too.
I just can't see how they can enforce this rule consistently.
I can just about understand wanting to ban the "use lower gear in turn 8 and more throttle in turn 9 exit" type of messages but some of the items in the list of things that will be banned seem crazy to me. For example warning of brake wear or temperatures as that is surely a safety issue? Level of fuel saving required - does the driver have access to a fuel gauge in the cockpit?
The banning of instructions on adjusting engine and other technical settings - well surely this just proves the cars and engines in particular are far too complicated if the drivers need detailed instructions on how to program the thing while driving.
I can just about understand wanting to ban the "use lower gear in turn 8 and more throttle in turn 9 exit" type of messages but some of the items in the list of things that will be banned seem crazy to me. For example warning of brake wear or temperatures as that is surely a safety issue? Level of fuel saving required - does the driver have access to a fuel gauge in the cockpit?
The banning of instructions on adjusting engine and other technical settings - well surely this just proves the cars and engines in particular are far too complicated if the drivers need detailed instructions on how to program the thing while driving.
VolvoT5 said:
The banning of instructions on adjusting engine and other technical settings - well surely this just proves the cars and engines in particular are far too complicated if the drivers need detailed instructions on how to program the thing while driving.
Exactly, this forces them to make the cars simpler or make the cars make these decisions for themselves.Stop trying to find something to get upset about
rdjohn said:
They have now extended it to FP sessions and pit boards. They really do go out of their way to look bonkers.
Now that *is* bonkers. All that will happen is that drivers will go out for a few laps, pit, get a debrief / update / have a discussion, go out for a few laps, rinse and repeat. And for what reason? Race and Quali I can understand, but FP seems rather a lot of pain (of enforcing it) for very little gain.
Gaz. said:
If it stops this:
"Checo, use shorter gears at all apexes, please. Use a lower gear at all apexes. Too slow on the throttle down to turn two as well, OK? Nico far more aggressive on the throttle down to turn two. Stop the car a bit earlier for the apex of turn one and get on the power."
Then I say bring on the ban.
No different to what is discussed in debriefs or looking at telemetry printouts."Checo, use shorter gears at all apexes, please. Use a lower gear at all apexes. Too slow on the throttle down to turn two as well, OK? Nico far more aggressive on the throttle down to turn two. Stop the car a bit earlier for the apex of turn one and get on the power."
Then I say bring on the ban.
There is so much telemetry data gathered and analysed these days.
This sort of thing has been going on for years. I remember Rob Smedley telling Massa that St. Devote could be taken at a higher apex speed; Hamilton was told that Copse could be taken flat out.
We've become much more spoilt with radio excerpts.
As I said earlier in this thread you would probably need to ban telemetry or spec telemetry (as with ECU) or go back to data acquisition ie. download on to laptops rather than real time data; or just ban radios altogether.
ivanhoew said:
Gary C said:
They could have someone appear on the pit wall with balloon pants on.
actually burst out laughing at that .. I wonder if they could hire him ?
get the pit girls to do the bit at the back ?
Digger said:
Will Ferrari still be allowed to communicate in Italian as has happened recently, or will English be enforced from now on?
When asked about the possibility of teams being allowed to use secret codes or different language, an FIA spokesman said: "No, definitely not, this is exactly what we feel infringes Article 20.1."http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115824
seriously, the FIA with their overenforcement of stupid rules to achieve the simplest outcomes is just ridiculous!
Now a driver won't know if he's about to run out of fuel, which power unit setting he needs to get round a fault, whether the gear box has fully learned the gear sync, if brake temperatures are getting too high (or low) - How is this not a fundamental safety issue!?
Instead we'll get crap like push push, or vettel exceeding track limits. great.
Now a driver won't know if he's about to run out of fuel, which power unit setting he needs to get round a fault, whether the gear box has fully learned the gear sync, if brake temperatures are getting too high (or low) - How is this not a fundamental safety issue!?
Instead we'll get crap like push push, or vettel exceeding track limits. great.
skinny said:
Now a driver won't know if he's about to run out of fuel, which power unit setting he needs to get round a fault, whether the gear box has fully learned the gear sync, if brake temperatures are getting too high (or low) - How is this not a fundamental safety issue!?
Are you the guy in charge of slippery floor signs in your office? That sounds like an awesome race, not knowing what is going to happen to a driver.
skinny said:
seriously, the FIA with their overenforcement of stupid rules to achieve the simplest outcomes is just ridiculous!
Now a driver won't know if he's about to run out of fuel, which power unit setting he needs to get round a fault, whether the gear box has fully learned the gear sync, if brake temperatures are getting too high (or low) - How is this not a fundamental safety issue!?
Instead we'll get crap like push push, or vettel exceeding track limits. great.
The rule clarification is good, what is ridiculous is making the 'power units' so complex that the cars can't be raced without constant input from a team of technicians. These new engines have cost huge amounts of money to develop, have they improved the show in any way at all?Now a driver won't know if he's about to run out of fuel, which power unit setting he needs to get round a fault, whether the gear box has fully learned the gear sync, if brake temperatures are getting too high (or low) - How is this not a fundamental safety issue!?
Instead we'll get crap like push push, or vettel exceeding track limits. great.
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