Rosberg calls Hamilton lucky before podium ceremony
Discussion
jammy_basturd said:
Maybe the wrong place to bring this up, but is no one surprised by the fact that Rosberg really didn't try to come back at Lewis at any stage during the race after Lewis got past?
I think he tried, but Lewis was quicker, there were a few points where Nico would gain a few tenths, maybe even half a second on a lap but Lewis would then gain it back on the next.Crafty_ said:
jammy_basturd said:
Maybe the wrong place to bring this up, but is no one surprised by the fact that Rosberg really didn't try to come back at Lewis at any stage during the race after Lewis got past?
I think he tried, but Lewis was quicker, there were a few points where Nico would gain a few tenths, maybe even half a second on a lap but Lewis would then gain it back on the next.This LH was catchin him every lap before NR's "mishap" and then proceeded to put a gap between them.
LH is/was quicker NR is goin to have to live with it.
IainT said:
MGJohn said:
IainT said:
MGJohn said:
So, you know it all that goes on behind closed doors. You simply do NOT know and that suits you and your stance.
Don't be so utterly ridiculous John - you're the one making a claim of a conspiracy, What evidence do you have that there wasn't one?
Were you privvy to what went on behind closed doors? One thing is most certain. Something obviously was arranged. To what full extent it's unlikely those outside that privvy circle will never know.
You could be wrong. I could be wrong. One of us might get "Lucky" ...
:Simples:
BluePorky944 said:
POS NO DRIVER KPH TIME OF DAY
1 3 D. RICCIARDO 362.1 15:03:05
2 77 V. BOTTAS 360.8 14:23:38
3 44 L. HAMILTON 358.6 14:17:27
4 25 J. VERGNE 357.6 15:22:44
5 19 F. MASSA 356.5 14:09:58
6 22 J. BUTTON 355.1 14:51:05
7 26 D. KVYAT 354.2 15:12:13
8 11 S. PEREZ 353.1 15:21:04
9 20 K. MAGNUSSEN 349.2 15:18:01
10 14 F. ALONSO 347.0 14:16:03
11 21 E. GUTIERREZ 346.1 15:17:39
12 27 N. HULKENBERG 343.0 15:13:44
13 1 S. VETTEL 339.9 14:20:34
14 7 K. RAIKKONEN 338.9 14:08:33
15 8 R. GROSJEAN 338.6 14:21:02
16 10 K. KOBAYASHI 337.6 14:16:21
17 9 M. ERICSSON 334.8 15:15:44
18 13 P. MALDONADO 334.2 14:23:48
19 4 M. CHILTON 333.0 14:08:43
20 17 J. BIANCHI 331.8 14:08:42
21 6 N. ROSBERG 331.0 15:09:48
22 99 A. SUTIL 329.1 15:21:47
Meantime, what's that all about?1 3 D. RICCIARDO 362.1 15:03:05
2 77 V. BOTTAS 360.8 14:23:38
3 44 L. HAMILTON 358.6 14:17:27
4 25 J. VERGNE 357.6 15:22:44
5 19 F. MASSA 356.5 14:09:58
6 22 J. BUTTON 355.1 14:51:05
7 26 D. KVYAT 354.2 15:12:13
8 11 S. PEREZ 353.1 15:21:04
9 20 K. MAGNUSSEN 349.2 15:18:01
10 14 F. ALONSO 347.0 14:16:03
11 21 E. GUTIERREZ 346.1 15:17:39
12 27 N. HULKENBERG 343.0 15:13:44
13 1 S. VETTEL 339.9 14:20:34
14 7 K. RAIKKONEN 338.9 14:08:33
15 8 R. GROSJEAN 338.6 14:21:02
16 10 K. KOBAYASHI 337.6 14:16:21
17 9 M. ERICSSON 334.8 15:15:44
18 13 P. MALDONADO 334.2 14:23:48
19 4 M. CHILTON 333.0 14:08:43
20 17 J. BIANCHI 331.8 14:08:42
21 6 N. ROSBERG 331.0 15:09:48
22 99 A. SUTIL 329.1 15:21:47
Worthy of further discussion ... maybe not.
MGJohn said:
IainT said:
MGJohn said:
IainT said:
MGJohn said:
So, you know it all that goes on behind closed doors. You simply do NOT know and that suits you and your stance.
Don't be so utterly ridiculous John - you're the one making a claim of a conspiracy, What evidence do you have that there wasn't one?
Were you privvy to what went on behind closed doors? One thing is most certain. Something obviously was arranged. To what full extent it's unlikely those outside that privvy circle will never know.
You could be wrong. I could be wrong. One of us might get "Lucky" ...
:Simples:
At the factory debrief last week, the very topic was raised and dismissed as a ludicrous idea. As it was explained, when you think of the consequences of a serious lock up at one of the chicanes, in terms of a likely extra pitstop in a marginal one stop race, it's quite easy to see why a run through the chicane was preferable to attempting the corner, as happened with Rosberg and others.
Just think about it.
MGJohn said:
Meantime, what's that all about?
Worthy of further discussion ... maybe not.
A contributor to that is that as far as I am aware Nico never got in to DRS of any car - led from the front until his off, at which point he was several seconds behind Lewis.Worthy of further discussion ... maybe not.
Everyone else at some time or another was in DRS on someone.
When NR starting speaking Italian he deliberately excluded LH which in my book is the height of rudeness - the others joined in but NR started the chat in Italian. That he said what he did simply elevates him to a higher level of rudeness
I really hope he doesn't win the championship
I really hope he doesn't win the championship
Crafty_ said:
MGJohn said:
Meantime, what's that all about?
Worthy of further discussion ... maybe not.
A contributor to that is that as far as I am aware Nico never got in to DRS of any car - led from the front until his off, at which point he was several seconds behind Lewis.Worthy of further discussion ... maybe not.
Everyone else at some time or another was in DRS on someone.
That does not explain the HUGE Ricciardo~Vettel variance and some of the others. Even so, those differences are surprising.
fulham911club said:
When NR starting speaking Italian he deliberately excluded LH which in my book is the height of rudeness - the others joined in but NR started the chat in Italian. That he said what he did simply elevates him to a higher level of rudeness
I really hope he doesn't win the championship
Yes, most rude to speak the same language of the country where the event was being held.I really hope he doesn't win the championship
REALIST123 said:
No John, you are wrong.
At the factory debrief last week, the very topic was raised and dismissed as a ludicrous idea. As it was explained, when you think of the consequences of a serious lock up at one of the chicanes, in terms of a likely extra pitstop in a marginal one stop race, it's quite easy to see why a run through the chicane was preferable to attempting the corner, as happened with Rosberg and others.
Just think about it.
Ludicrous idea. Very predictable response.At the factory debrief last week, the very topic was raised and dismissed as a ludicrous idea. As it was explained, when you think of the consequences of a serious lock up at one of the chicanes, in terms of a likely extra pitstop in a marginal one stop race, it's quite easy to see why a run through the chicane was preferable to attempting the corner, as happened with Rosberg and others.
Just think about it.
A very experienced driver makes the same 'mistake' at precisely the same location twice. Even Maldonado on a bad day is rarely guilty of that...
Think about it. I have and have said my bit about "behind closed doors". My stance will not change unless that full content becomes open source which is unlikely..
MGJohn said:
Yes, most rude to speak the same language of the country where the event was being held.
What a ridiculous comment - he was in a room with Massa, Hamilton and one of the Mercedes team and not in front of the Italian fans. He spoke in Italian as he knew the only person in the room who didn't speak Italian was Hamilton. He did he same in German. He's rude face it. Might have money but doesn't have class.
MGJohn said:
IainT said:
What evidence do you have of a conspiracy? Please use real evidence, not conspiracy tin-foil hattery.
None whatsoever. What evidence do you have that there wasn't one?
Crafty_ said:
A contributor to that is that as far as I am aware Nico never got in to DRS of any car - led from the front until his off, at which point he was several seconds behind Lewis.
Everyone else at some time or another was in DRS on someone.
still it's 27 kph difference which is HUGE and can't be attributed only to DRS, my take is that he had different setup which at the end proved to be worse for the day, no conspiracy but I'm quite sure it would be seen as such here if it was vice versaEveryone else at some time or another was in DRS on someone.
MGJohn said:
Ludicrous idea. Very predictable response.
A very experienced driver makes the same 'mistake' at precisely the same location twice. Even Maldonado on a bad day is rarely guilty of that...
hah, maybe he got "don't get too close" message too literally A very experienced driver makes the same 'mistake' at precisely the same location twice. Even Maldonado on a bad day is rarely guilty of that...
MGJohn said:
REALIST123 said:
No John, you are wrong.
At the factory debrief last week, the very topic was raised and dismissed as a ludicrous idea. As it was explained, when you think of the consequences of a serious lock up at one of the chicanes, in terms of a likely extra pitstop in a marginal one stop race, it's quite easy to see why a run through the chicane was preferable to attempting the corner, as happened with Rosberg and others.
Just think about it.
Ludicrous idea. Very predictable response.At the factory debrief last week, the very topic was raised and dismissed as a ludicrous idea. As it was explained, when you think of the consequences of a serious lock up at one of the chicanes, in terms of a likely extra pitstop in a marginal one stop race, it's quite easy to see why a run through the chicane was preferable to attempting the corner, as happened with Rosberg and others.
Just think about it.
A very experienced driver makes the same 'mistake' at precisely the same location twice. Even Maldonado on a bad day is rarely guilty of that...
Think about it. I have and have said my bit about "behind closed doors". My stance will not change unless that full content becomes open source which is unlikely..
If what I read is true he runs more front bias than Lewis does, i.e. relies on the front brakes more, which means there is more likely hood of a lock up ?
Its nothing new, he's been snatching brakes all year, particularly when under pressure - remember Canada ? Spa against Vettel ?
There was an interview with Lewis shown last weekend (might have been recorded before the race, not sure) - they were talking about the brakes, Lewis said that if you slow (maybe lift & coast for fuel saving) temperatures drop, you've got that long straight at Monza, so they can drop quite a bit, when you then stand on the brakes they heat up very quickly, which can cause them to lock and its difficult to judge/control.
For the second lockup Nico knew Lewis had cleared the other cars and was gaining, so he was speeding up, maybe he fell foul to the problem that Lewis described ? I don't know.
As an aside, I'm pretty sure that during qualifying Brundle said that Nico was going for less wing than Lewis, so by rights should have been quicker on the straights - so I don't know how all that pans out, maybe Brundle had it wrong ? Either way there was a fairly fundamental difference in setup between the two cars.
Its nothing new, he's been snatching brakes all year, particularly when under pressure - remember Canada ? Spa against Vettel ?
There was an interview with Lewis shown last weekend (might have been recorded before the race, not sure) - they were talking about the brakes, Lewis said that if you slow (maybe lift & coast for fuel saving) temperatures drop, you've got that long straight at Monza, so they can drop quite a bit, when you then stand on the brakes they heat up very quickly, which can cause them to lock and its difficult to judge/control.
For the second lockup Nico knew Lewis had cleared the other cars and was gaining, so he was speeding up, maybe he fell foul to the problem that Lewis described ? I don't know.
As an aside, I'm pretty sure that during qualifying Brundle said that Nico was going for less wing than Lewis, so by rights should have been quicker on the straights - so I don't know how all that pans out, maybe Brundle had it wrong ? Either way there was a fairly fundamental difference in setup between the two cars.
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