Vettel to replace Alonso at Ferrari
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suffolk009 said:
stevesingo said:
You cannot outperform a machine's capability.
I completely agree. I simply don't understand why so many people believe he can drag a car to a position it shouldn't be in.
Casey Stoner was able to do the same with the Ducati in Moto GP a few years ago.
coetzeeh said:
I think you take the remarks too literally. FA is capable of driving around a car's weaknesses probably better than anyone on the grid and hence makes the car look better than what would achieve otherwise. That combined with his race craft and race anticipation/tactical calls then gets the car further up the grid than what one would expect. This has been mentioned by commentators, F1 drivers and team principals from rival teams on numerous occasions.
Casey Stoner was able to do the same with the Ducati in Moto GP a few years ago.
I think the point is that everyone keeps saying that the Ferrari is a dog, and FA is dragging it around, when really the car is 2nd or 3rd best on the grid, hence some close challenges to the WDC over the past 4 years. Casey Stoner was able to do the same with the Ducati in Moto GP a few years ago.
No doubting he's one of the best drivers, and a complete package, but it always stinks of PR when they say how bad the car is...
Joe Saward - right more often than not - is reporting it now as probable (Alonso exit)
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2014/10/03/the-futu...
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2014/10/03/the-futu...
jbudgie said:
suffolk009 said:
jbudgie said:
Derek Smith said:
During FP2 on BBC, Ron Dennis was interviewed and asked about Berger. He indulged in a bit of a tirade against an unnamed journo. Anyone know who that is?
Anyone ??cayman-black said:
jbudgie said:
If Ferrari think that SV is the man to turn them around then-----
I agree Vettel needs a great car.Vaud said:
cayman-black said:
jbudgie said:
If Ferrari think that SV is the man to turn them around then-----
I agree Vettel needs a great car.Rick_1138 said:
Sorry I should have pointed out I was being facetious!
It will be the usual crap trotted out that he isn't as good etc etc, then Hamilton appears and is amazeballs, if the cars is crap, its the car, if he is ace, its all him etc.
Alonso is very very good, I just don't get Mclaren's idea that throwing an expensive driver in the thing will sort chassis issues. Unless the 2015 car is a new chassis design, they are going to be tottering around again.
I want to see all the top guys in competitive cars, the Merc battle is great this year but when its down to 2 from the start its a bit flat, better when 2 or 3 teams are all in with a good shout. Which, tbf, it was like for the last few years bar this year and one year where vettel just walked it in about 9 races.
Button is getting all the stick that he is crap and deserves the boot, apart from the fact he is outperforming his last 2 teammates, but because he isn't 'dragging' the car to top 6 positions, he is crap, what if the car is a 10th place car, and him getting 7th is an amazing achievement. People just like to moan about Button and its not fair, he is very good and the paddock admits that, Brundle rates him very highly, but because he was seen to be 'gifted' his 2009 win, he can do no right in many fans eyes.
I just don't want to see him out of a drive because McLaren see $$ signs from Santander and all Buttons effort and work he put into making McLaren a team around him amidst the Hamilton hype was for nothing. I realise its the world of F1, but would still leave a sour taste.
Excellent post! Button has aways been consistenty good. Give him a good good car and he will do what Vettel did with one. Give him a mediocre car and at the very least he will outperform his team mate... and that is about as good as anyone can prove to be. It will be the usual crap trotted out that he isn't as good etc etc, then Hamilton appears and is amazeballs, if the cars is crap, its the car, if he is ace, its all him etc.
Alonso is very very good, I just don't get Mclaren's idea that throwing an expensive driver in the thing will sort chassis issues. Unless the 2015 car is a new chassis design, they are going to be tottering around again.
I want to see all the top guys in competitive cars, the Merc battle is great this year but when its down to 2 from the start its a bit flat, better when 2 or 3 teams are all in with a good shout. Which, tbf, it was like for the last few years bar this year and one year where vettel just walked it in about 9 races.
Button is getting all the stick that he is crap and deserves the boot, apart from the fact he is outperforming his last 2 teammates, but because he isn't 'dragging' the car to top 6 positions, he is crap, what if the car is a 10th place car, and him getting 7th is an amazing achievement. People just like to moan about Button and its not fair, he is very good and the paddock admits that, Brundle rates him very highly, but because he was seen to be 'gifted' his 2009 win, he can do no right in many fans eyes.
I just don't want to see him out of a drive because McLaren see $$ signs from Santander and all Buttons effort and work he put into making McLaren a team around him amidst the Hamilton hype was for nothing. I realise its the world of F1, but would still leave a sour taste.
Put him in THAT Mercedes and I wouldnt be surprised to see him outperform both Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton.
suffolk009 said:
I completely agree.
I simply don't understand why so many people believe he can drag a car to a position it shouldn't be in.
I think, quite obviously that a great driver can drag a car nearer to it's limits. Not a difficult concept to grasp. I don't believe anyone would think a driver could go beyond these. It is not the MatrixI simply don't understand why so many people believe he can drag a car to a position it shouldn't be in.
aarondbs said:
suffolk009 said:
I completely agree.
I simply don't understand why so many people believe he can drag a car to a position it shouldn't be in.
I think, quite obviously that a great driver can drag a car nearer to it's limits. Not a difficult concept to grasp. I don't believe anyone would think a driver could go beyond these. It is not the MatrixI simply don't understand why so many people believe he can drag a car to a position it shouldn't be in.
Crafty_ said:
And thats why Kimi is right up there too right ? oh wait. Its obviously difficult to drive.
2nd or 3rd best ? Merc, Red Bull and Williams are all way ahead of that car.
He might not be the second coming but he's damm good.
Apologies, I mean in the past 4 years, not this year... Although I'd argue that it's not that bad a car, just behind those you mention. 2nd or 3rd best ? Merc, Red Bull and Williams are all way ahead of that car.
He might not be the second coming but he's damm good.
As for Kimi, it took him a year to get the lotus to his liking, and is clearly in the same position... But then I think he's not the best barometer IMHO, his WRC performance (or lack thereof) kind of showed him to be a bit average ;-)
Gaz. said:
Do you never watch the on-boards? This year's car is an animal.
All of the cars this year are tricky, lots more dabs of oppo all round, I can't say that the Ferrari stands out any more than the others... Maybe I've missed something? At Silverstone I was stationed at Vale/Club. Perfect places to watch the handling traits of the cars. It's fair to say that none of the cars was as planted as last year. But the more benign were the Red Bulls, Williams and Mercs. The most evil were the Saubers, Lotuses and Ferraris. Kimi had a number of massive moments out of Club....and he's a supreme reaction driver too.
http://www.infiniti-redbullracing.com/article/new-...
Vettel leaving Red Bull. Kyvat to replace him.
No word as to where he is going as yet.
Vettel leaving Red Bull. Kyvat to replace him.
No word as to where he is going as yet.
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