Vettel to replace Alonso at Ferrari

Vettel to replace Alonso at Ferrari

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coetzeeh

2,650 posts

237 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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suffolk009 said:
stevesingo said:
You cannot outperform a machine's capability.
I completely agree.

I simply don't understand why so many people believe he can drag a car to a position it shouldn't be in.
I think you take the remarks too literally. FA is capable of driving around a car's weaknesses probably better than anyone on the grid and hence makes the car look better than what would achieve otherwise. That combined with his race craft and race anticipation/tactical calls then gets the car further up the grid than what one would expect. This has been mentioned by commentators, F1 drivers and team principals from rival teams on numerous occasions.

Casey Stoner was able to do the same with the Ducati in Moto GP a few years ago.

RemarkLima

2,375 posts

213 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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coetzeeh said:
I think you take the remarks too literally. FA is capable of driving around a car's weaknesses probably better than anyone on the grid and hence makes the car look better than what would achieve otherwise. That combined with his race craft and race anticipation/tactical calls then gets the car further up the grid than what one would expect. This has been mentioned by commentators, F1 drivers and team principals from rival teams on numerous occasions.

Casey Stoner was able to do the same with the Ducati in Moto GP a few years ago.
I think the point is that everyone keeps saying that the Ferrari is a dog, and FA is dragging it around, when really the car is 2nd or 3rd best on the grid, hence some close challenges to the WDC over the past 4 years.

No doubting he's one of the best drivers, and a complete package, but it always stinks of PR when they say how bad the car is...

Crafty_

13,297 posts

201 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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And thats why Kimi is right up there too right ? oh wait. Its obviously difficult to drive.

2nd or 3rd best ? Merc, Red Bull and Williams are all way ahead of that car.

He might not be the second coming but he's damm good.



Vaud

50,607 posts

156 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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Joe Saward - right more often than not - is reporting it now as probable (Alonso exit)

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2014/10/03/the-futu...

Vaud

50,607 posts

156 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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Here is a wild hypothesis...

...Ross Brawn to return but to McLaren in a role that avoids Alonso having to work with Ron. Honda like him, he is well connected in Japan, etc.

jbudgie

8,935 posts

213 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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If Ferrari think that SV is the man to turn them around then-----rolleyesrolleyesrolleyesrolleyesrolleyes

Crafty_

13,297 posts

201 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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I don't what it is with Joe's articles, I read them and don't find out anything new but somehow come away feeling better informed. Weird.

I think Ross is done with F1, read a quote from him a while ago and he sounded quite happy bumbling around fishing and doing other stuff.

Derek Smith

45,704 posts

249 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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jbudgie said:
suffolk009 said:
jbudgie said:
Derek Smith said:
During FP2 on BBC, Ron Dennis was interviewed and asked about Berger. He indulged in a bit of a tirade against an unnamed journo. Anyone know who that is?
Anyone ??
Berger's agent?
RD seemed to imply that it was a well known journo ???
The magazine that carried it was Auto Bild.


cayman-black

12,649 posts

217 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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jbudgie said:
If Ferrari think that SV is the man to turn them around then-----rolleyesrolleyesrolleyesrolleyesrolleyes
I agree Vettel needs a great car.

Vaud

50,607 posts

156 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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cayman-black said:
jbudgie said:
If Ferrari think that SV is the man to turn them around then-----rolleyesrolleyesrolleyesrolleyesrolleyes
I agree Vettel needs a great car.
All drivers need a great car. Vettel might look to emulate Schumacher who had a great car in 94-95. Build a team around him at Ferrari. He is quick, I don't think anyone doubts that. He may need a car built around his inputs, but then so do many.

deadslow

8,009 posts

224 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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Vaud said:
cayman-black said:
jbudgie said:
If Ferrari think that SV is the man to turn them around then-----rolleyesrolleyesrolleyesrolleyesrolleyes
I agree Vettel needs a great car.
All drivers need a great car. Vettel might look to emulate Schumacher who had a great car in 94-95. Build a team around him at Ferrari. He is quick, I don't think anyone doubts that. He may need a car built around his inputs, but then so do many.
Yep, some drivers just need the engineers to be a bit more sympathetic - look at Kimi this year - nowhere a lot of the time - but undoubtedly a fast racer. If Ferarri will stick some ads in the jobcentre in Towcester, Northamptonshire then they have the resources to produce a fast car.

aarondbs

845 posts

147 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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Rick_1138 said:
Sorry I should have pointed out I was being facetious!

It will be the usual crap trotted out that he isn't as good etc etc, then Hamilton appears and is amazeballs, if the cars is crap, its the car, if he is ace, its all him etc.

Alonso is very very good, I just don't get Mclaren's idea that throwing an expensive driver in the thing will sort chassis issues. Unless the 2015 car is a new chassis design, they are going to be tottering around again.

I want to see all the top guys in competitive cars, the Merc battle is great this year but when its down to 2 from the start its a bit flat, better when 2 or 3 teams are all in with a good shout. Which, tbf, it was like for the last few years bar this year and one year where vettel just walked it in about 9 races.

Button is getting all the stick that he is crap and deserves the boot, apart from the fact he is outperforming his last 2 teammates, but because he isn't 'dragging' the car to top 6 positions, he is crap, what if the car is a 10th place car, and him getting 7th is an amazing achievement. People just like to moan about Button and its not fair, he is very good and the paddock admits that, Brundle rates him very highly, but because he was seen to be 'gifted' his 2009 win, he can do no right in many fans eyes.

I just don't want to see him out of a drive because McLaren see $$ signs from Santander and all Buttons effort and work he put into making McLaren a team around him amidst the Hamilton hype was for nothing. I realise its the world of F1, but would still leave a sour taste.
Excellent post! Button has aways been consistenty good. Give him a good good car and he will do what Vettel did with one. Give him a mediocre car and at the very least he will outperform his team mate... and that is about as good as anyone can prove to be.

Put him in THAT Mercedes and I wouldnt be surprised to see him outperform both Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton.


aarondbs

845 posts

147 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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suffolk009 said:
I completely agree.

I simply don't understand why so many people believe he can drag a car to a position it shouldn't be in.
I think, quite obviously that a great driver can drag a car nearer to it's limits. Not a difficult concept to grasp. I don't believe anyone would think a driver could go beyond these. It is not the Matrix

slipstream 1985

12,231 posts

180 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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aarondbs said:
suffolk009 said:
I completely agree.

I simply don't understand why so many people believe he can drag a car to a position it shouldn't be in.
I think, quite obviously that a great driver can drag a car nearer to it's limits. Not a difficult concept to grasp. I don't believe anyone would think a driver could go beyond these. It is not the Matrix
Lewis 2009 Mclaren. A total dog of a car.

RemarkLima

2,375 posts

213 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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Crafty_ said:
And thats why Kimi is right up there too right ? oh wait. Its obviously difficult to drive.

2nd or 3rd best ? Merc, Red Bull and Williams are all way ahead of that car.

He might not be the second coming but he's damm good.
Apologies, I mean in the past 4 years, not this year... Although I'd argue that it's not that bad a car, just behind those you mention.


As for Kimi, it took him a year to get the lotus to his liking, and is clearly in the same position... But then I think he's not the best barometer IMHO, his WRC performance (or lack thereof) kind of showed him to be a bit average ;-)

Gaz. said:
Do you never watch the on-boards? This year's car is an animal.
All of the cars this year are tricky, lots more dabs of oppo all round, I can't say that the Ferrari stands out any more than the others... Maybe I've missed something?

rubystone

11,254 posts

260 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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At Silverstone I was stationed at Vale/Club. Perfect places to watch the handling traits of the cars. It's fair to say that none of the cars was as planted as last year. But the more benign were the Red Bulls, Williams and Mercs. The most evil were the Saubers, Lotuses and Ferraris. Kimi had a number of massive moments out of Club....and he's a supreme reaction driver too.

Steve126

301 posts

184 months

Saturday 4th October 2014
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They have announced that Vettel is leaving Red Bull at the end of this season, so perhaps he will end up at Ferrari.

Colonial

13,553 posts

206 months

Saturday 4th October 2014
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http://www.infiniti-redbullracing.com/article/new-...

Vettel leaving Red Bull. Kyvat to replace him.

No word as to where he is going as yet.

DanielSan

18,807 posts

168 months

Saturday 4th October 2014
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Him to Ferrari and Alonso to Mclaren is looking more and more likely...

S0 What

3,358 posts

173 months

Saturday 4th October 2014
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Just saw this on FP3, like rats leaving a sinking ship laugh