Vettel to replace Alonso at Ferrari

Vettel to replace Alonso at Ferrari

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Leithen

10,931 posts

268 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2014
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It's a compelling story. His get out clause - the following comes from talking to many of those involved behind the scenes on condition of non-attribution (i.e. OK to use the information, but not to be quoted - requires the belief that he's gained access to both camps to be able to fill in the pieces. He's a great journalist, but I find it hard to believe he's been getting much from Alonso over the last few months... hehe

Likes Fast Cars

2,772 posts

166 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2014
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It looks as though Flavio screwed up.

MissChief

7,113 posts

169 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2014
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Agent Orange said:
"Alonso was therefore left with the McLaren option. One year deal, suggested Fernando. Multi-year or no deal responded Ron Dennis."

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/f1/why-ferrari-h...
Thanks for that, very interesting. if it is the case that Alonso thought he knew the full story only to realise he didn't he kept a very straight face and has continued to do so, especially after Vettel was signed. No doubt Alonso was advised soon after by a sympathetic supporter at the factory.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2014
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ash73 said:
The article says Ferrari breached the contract by negotiating with Vettel, how is that Alonso's fault? How was he supposed to know about Vettel's exit clause?
This is where he and Flavio screwed up,

article said:
Briatore suggested Alonso sign the memorandum of understanding for the release, believing Mattiacci would then back down. He didn’t.

suffolk009

5,433 posts

166 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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Apparently today is the annual board meeting at McLaren.
(I don't know why, but I have in mind the meeting of Spectre at the beginning of Thunderball. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW9-llaIS-g )

Amongst 'net journos there is an expectation that a decision will be reached on the 2015 driver line-up.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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The board meeting decision this week has been discussed on this thread - PH is one step ahead of the hacks!!

Likes Fast Cars

2,772 posts

166 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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... and if we cannot bring you any facts live from McLaren HQ here on this PH thread, then we'll make it all up as the day progresses laugh

EskimoArapaho

5,135 posts

136 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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Likes Fast Cars said:
... and if we cannot bring you any facts live from McLaren HQ here on this PH thread, then we'll make it all up as the day progresses laugh
This just in.. sources close to McHonda say Ron has ordered paella and Danish pastries for the lunch. So it's now official.

JonRB

74,605 posts

273 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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EskimoArapaho said:
McHonda
Do you want fries with your VTEC?


Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

153 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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EskimoArapaho said:
This just in.. sources close to McHonda say Ron has ordered paella and Danish pastries for the lunch. So it's now official.
I heard they were having Chocolate Buttons....

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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EskimoArapaho said:
This just in.. sources close to McHonda say Ron has ordered paella and Danish pastries for the lunch. So it's now official.
So Button's in?

kiseca

9,339 posts

220 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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JonRB said:
EskimoArapaho said:
McHonda
Do you want fries with your VTEC?
Fries? Ah no. Pass fry swatter prease.

Agent Orange

2,194 posts

247 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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Leithen said:
It's a compelling story. His get out clause - the following comes from talking to many of those involved behind the scenes on condition of non-attribution (i.e. OK to use the information, but not to be quoted - requires the belief that he's gained access to both camps to be able to fill in the pieces. He's a great journalist, but I find it hard to believe he's been getting much from Alonso over the last few months... hehe
Yep agree. I put it out there because it was interesting but take it with a pinch of salt.

Personally I find Mark Hughes a little frustrating as he's reporting these recent stories with the perceived authority of being in the same room. But the odd nugget is interesting.

There was the recent inside story of the interview where Alonso was forced out of Ferrari and now this. Both written as if he was there and I just struggle to give that any credence. I think there are a lot of gaps being imaginatively filled in with fiction in his articles.

Then again he'll write a good few paragraphs like this:

"He’s [Alonso] a truly brilliant driver, a non-stop freight train of competitive will. But just as with the blackmail attempt on Ron Dennis in the wake of Hungary 2007, he’d misjudged his opponent. And in his frustration he’s now on his way out of a team that has every chance of fielding a much improved car next year. It will be the first overseen by James Allison – who has been given carte blanche by Mattiacci to do what’s needed.

A big chunk of the necessary improvement in the power unit is easily reachable in that this one was deliberately – but misguidedly – conceived around an extreme solution to minimising heat rejection, at the expense of power. It’s a car that will quite conceivably be good enough for Vettel to win races in – and the perception will be that Seb’s been able to do what Alonso could not.

Whatever Alonso’s career statistics turn out to be, they are going to sell his wonderful talent short. But in the round, they will reflect a combination of that talent with a lack of nuance to his thinking, his one-dimensional way of demanding what is required. It pisses off those in a position of influence over his destiny – and that’s not smart."

JonRB

74,605 posts

273 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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I wonder if SniffPetrol's Trentham Sleaves is in any way based on him?

Agent Orange

2,194 posts

247 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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JonRB said:
I wonder if SniffPetrol's Trentham Sleaves is in any way based on him?
Not see that. Very good! Probably him or Nigel Roebuck. Have to admit I started listening the the Motorsport Magazine podcasts last year and enjoy them but by god are the Motorsport team a bunch of fawning, rose tinted dinosaurs!

"I remember in '76...." or "Keke came to me in confidence..." or "I said to Frank you should hire this guy"

When they shut up the podcasts are great but the recent 2014 F1 review... uuugh.... Give me Gordon Murray, Richard Noble, Pat Symmonds interviews every time!

MartG

20,693 posts

205 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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Agent Orange

2,194 posts

247 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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Gaz. said:
That's got to be Roebuck. Have you ever seen him talk about Gilles?
Yes - it's as if Gilles' driving touched him in a way no woman had before or since. I tend to grimace or fast forward through the opening few minutes of sycophantic arse licking for each podcast but they are generally worth it once guest gets going.

suffolk009

5,433 posts

166 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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Apparently Ron had been in Denmark trying to drum up some sponsorship for Magnussen. The boss of Lego is reported to have said that sporsorship does not fit with Lego.

Advantage Button?

Leithen

10,931 posts

268 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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Gaz. said:
suffolk009 said:
Apparently Ron had been in Denmark trying to drum up some sponsorship for Magnussen. The boss of Lego is reported to have said that sporsorship does not fit with Lego.

Advantage Button?
That's a lot of sponsors not wanting to deal with Mclaren....
And there I was thinking that Ron was a Master Builder.

wink

JB!

5,254 posts

181 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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Room for a "bricking it" pun here?...