Vettel to replace Alonso at Ferrari
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team underdog said:
Banned for now yes. Don't see why teams would be against selling their third car, it becomes revenue rather than a cost as the third car doesn't count towards constructor points. The one car customer team wouldn't be a threat to the constructors two car points tally and hence prize money.
One fly in the ointment there is Industrial Espionage. Give your car to a customer and they can tear it down and reverse engineer it and sell the info to your rivals. Scuderio Enzo Frank Rosso, anyone?
RichB said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
RichB said:
Having said I don't have a view on this, I do remember back in the 50s teams would run 3 or even more cars so it's not a new idea.
How old are you?! 
ahemEdited by Swervin_Mervin on Friday 17th October 23:35
I can't believe some people are talking about Jenson being 'past it' and 'too old' and then talk about Fernando being the best driver on the grid!
A year between them and one is too old and one is the best driver in the field? Don't forget that Jenson is the more recent World Champion as well?! And you can say 'It was the car' all you want, but Jenson won it and Vettel was second. If 'it was the car' where the hell was Rubens? Oh yeah, 18 points behind. Back then it points were awarded on a 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 basis and Jenson won 6 races to Rubens 2. It wasn't JUST the car.
A year between them and one is too old and one is the best driver in the field? Don't forget that Jenson is the more recent World Champion as well?! And you can say 'It was the car' all you want, but Jenson won it and Vettel was second. If 'it was the car' where the hell was Rubens? Oh yeah, 18 points behind. Back then it points were awarded on a 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 basis and Jenson won 6 races to Rubens 2. It wasn't JUST the car.
MissChief said:
I can't believe some people are talking about Jenson being 'past it' and 'too old' and then talk about Fernando being the best driver on the grid!
A year between them and one is too old and one is the best driver in the field? Don't forget that Jenson is the more recent World Champion as well?! And you can say 'It was the car' all you want, but Jenson won it and Vettel was second. If 'it was the car' where the hell was Rubens? Oh yeah, 18 points behind. Back then it points were awarded on a 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 basis and Jenson won 6 races to Rubens 2. It wasn't JUST the car.
+1 or more .. A year between them and one is too old and one is the best driver in the field? Don't forget that Jenson is the more recent World Champion as well?! And you can say 'It was the car' all you want, but Jenson won it and Vettel was second. If 'it was the car' where the hell was Rubens? Oh yeah, 18 points behind. Back then it points were awarded on a 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 basis and Jenson won 6 races to Rubens 2. It wasn't JUST the car.
Your "some people" over rider is the salient point. As in not all compared to "all the paddock" and other such comments those some people appear to believe as gospel.
In well over fifty years following Motor Racing, I struggle to remember any driver as "hyped" as Alonso. Even Senna was a poor second on a "hype" basis and Moss a distant third. Maybe its a media overkill thing.
MGJohn said:
In well over fifty years following Motor Racing, I struggle to remember any driver as "hyped" as Alonso. Even Senna was a poor second on a "hype" basis and Moss a distant third. Maybe its a media overkill thing.
Really? Remarkable how aged memories can remember different things. The F1 media world encircled Senna as if he was a celestial body. Only Prost did anything to pull followers away from the lure of his aura. I'd agree about Moss and throw in poor Gilles too. The hype around Alonso is modest in comparison. His ability is rated very, very highly within F1, which must grate if you either don't believe he's that quick or don't like him, or both.Of course if you believe that Senna was God, then we're into Eric Clapton Jimmy Page territory....
Leithen said:
MGJohn said:
In well over fifty years following Motor Racing, I struggle to remember any driver as "hyped" as Alonso. Even Senna was a poor second on a "hype" basis and Moss a distant third. Maybe its a media overkill thing.
Really? Remarkable how aged memories can remember different things. The F1 media world encircled Senna as if he was a celestial body. Only Prost did anything to pull followers away from the lure of his aura. I'd agree about Moss and throw in poor Gilles too. The hype around Alonso is modest in comparison. His ability is rated very, very highly within F1, which must grate if you either don't believe he's that quick or don't like him, or both.Of course if you believe that Senna was God, then we're into Eric Clapton Jimmy Page territory....
P.S ... It's the car... it's always the car...
MGJohn said:
+1 or more ..
Your "some people" over rider is the salient point. As in not all compared to "all the paddock" and other such comments those some people appear to believe as gospel.
In well over fifty years following Motor Racing, I struggle to remember any driver as "hyped" as Alonso. Even Senna was a poor second on a "hype" basis and Moss a distant third. Maybe its a media overkill thing.
Thats as much an observation on todays media though isn't it?Your "some people" over rider is the salient point. As in not all compared to "all the paddock" and other such comments those some people appear to believe as gospel.
In well over fifty years following Motor Racing, I struggle to remember any driver as "hyped" as Alonso. Even Senna was a poor second on a "hype" basis and Moss a distant third. Maybe its a media overkill thing.
hairyben said:
MGJohn said:
+1 or more ..
Your "some people" over rider is the salient point. As in not all compared to "all the paddock" and other such comments those some people appear to believe as gospel.
In well over fifty years following Motor Racing, I struggle to remember any driver as "hyped" as Alonso. Even Senna was a poor second on a "hype" basis and Moss a distant third. Maybe its a media overkill thing.
Thats as much an observation on today's media though isn't it?Your "some people" over rider is the salient point. As in not all compared to "all the paddock" and other such comments those some people appear to believe as gospel.
In well over fifty years following Motor Racing, I struggle to remember any driver as "hyped" as Alonso. Even Senna was a poor second on a "hype" basis and Moss a distant third. Maybe its a media overkill thing.
Mojocvh said:
MGJohn said:
Leithen said:
MGJohn said:
P.S ... It's the car... it's always the car...
Sometimes for all the wrong reasons.... 
My statement is still valid. I bet you're a Gonzo .. 
MGJohn said:
Leithen said:
MGJohn said:
P.S ... It's the car... it's always the car...
Sometimes for all the wrong reasons.... Kaiser_Wull said:
Gilles was the epitome of everything a racing driver should be: fast, brave (he was a little too brave, alas), spectacular, determined, apolitical, honest and fair. He remains the greatest racing driver I've ever seen.
No arguments from myself over the above at all.However, if I may.
Gilles was
perhaps our current clown will finally twig.
Thank you for your patience.
Kaiser_Wull said:
MGJohn said:
Leithen said:
MGJohn said:
P.S ... It's the car... it's always the car...
Sometimes for all the wrong reasons.... I was at Silverstone back in 1977 when he made his F1 debut driving the number 40 McLaren M23.
He learnt the track & it's limits in the way only he knew - he drove each corner as fast as could he could until he spun. When he spun he knew how fast he could take the corner & he moved on to the next corner.
Far from pretty but extremely entertaining. He was fearless which, sadly, was probably the cause of fatal accident at Zolder back in 1982.
fatboy69 said:
Amen to that.
I was at Silverstone back in 1977 when he made his F1 debut driving the number 40 McLaren M23.
He learnt the track & it's limits in the way only he knew - he drove each corner as fast as could he could until he spun. When he spun he knew how fast he could take the corner & he moved on to the next corner.
Far from pretty but extremely entertaining. He was fearless which, sadly, was probably the cause of fatal accident at Zolder back in 1982.
Silverstone 1977 - a great race, a home winner and the GP debuts of both Gilles and the Renault turbo. I was at Silverstone back in 1977 when he made his F1 debut driving the number 40 McLaren M23.
He learnt the track & it's limits in the way only he knew - he drove each corner as fast as could he could until he spun. When he spun he knew how fast he could take the corner & he moved on to the next corner.
Far from pretty but extremely entertaining. He was fearless which, sadly, was probably the cause of fatal accident at Zolder back in 1982.
Gilles, using the older McLaren M23 with very little experience of an F1 car or the track, managed to outqualify Jochen Mass in his works M26. He was quick in the race, too, and was heading for a couple of points until a faulty engine temperature gauge caused him to pit.
Edited by Kaiser_Wull on Saturday 18th October 20:24
Kaiser_Wull said:
Gilles was the epitome of everything a racing driver should be: fast, brave (he was a little too brave, alas), spectacular, determined, apolitical, honest and fair. He remains the greatest racing driver I've ever seen.
Totally agree.Nigel Roebuck obituary:
http://www.globalserve.net/~trauttf/Gilles/Obituar...
I'd also suggest younger members search out more info about Gilles.
One quote stands out to me - Gilles had crashed:
Did you run out of road?
No, I ran out of lock!
Keke alway said Gilles was the hardest b
d he raced against but totally fair.Sorry for the very O/T post!
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