FIA looking to make F1 cars harder to drive
Discussion
I've never ventured but surely on the football forums there are some old blokes complaining that football was better before the ball had aerodynamics and there were holes in the pitch, only one referee and the players really had to work hard for their goals.
If there isn't then F1 fans must have an exceptionally high sense of self importance, demanding the sports rules be changed to that which they desire.
If there isn't then F1 fans must have an exceptionally high sense of self importance, demanding the sports rules be changed to that which they desire.
One thing I would have to say regarding the regs, is that a driver must way at least 90kgs.
I.E. if a driver is lighter, then they should add ballast to the seat to level the playing field.
I remember seeing the picture of Chiltern on the running machine a few months ago and he looked dangerously thin. I don't think a driver should be punished because he is taller I.E. Hulkenburg and therefore advantaged for being lighter I.E. Vettel.
The driver SHOULD be the one to be able to make a big impact and I think the best drivers should be rewarded and not penalised if they are heavier.
Also, I would ban all driver funding. If you want to invest in F1, do it through the teams not the drivers. Hopefully then the best drivers will actually be in F1 and not purely because they've got a huge backer.
I believe testing should be allowed back, I don't think it helps having just one team that got it right at the start blasting away with it.
Finally, I wouldn't have any regulations on tyres, fuel, Aero or engines.
Meaning, use as many tyres as you want/don't want.
Bring back refuelling if you want it.
Have the rules be made basic regarding the overall look of the car and structure with a minimum weight of say 700kg.
Let people run whatever engines they like with a BHP & torque limit. Like the old days of Turbo V N/A. I don't think it helps that these rules appear to pander to Renault but why should the others suffer I.E. Ferrari. They probably won't ever run a turbo V6 so why would they be interest in developing one?
Basic rules that everyone understand and go race, its supposed to be the pinnacle of technology so why limit teams to what they can do? Just don't sacrifice safety.
That'll do me
I.E. if a driver is lighter, then they should add ballast to the seat to level the playing field.
I remember seeing the picture of Chiltern on the running machine a few months ago and he looked dangerously thin. I don't think a driver should be punished because he is taller I.E. Hulkenburg and therefore advantaged for being lighter I.E. Vettel.
The driver SHOULD be the one to be able to make a big impact and I think the best drivers should be rewarded and not penalised if they are heavier.
Also, I would ban all driver funding. If you want to invest in F1, do it through the teams not the drivers. Hopefully then the best drivers will actually be in F1 and not purely because they've got a huge backer.
I believe testing should be allowed back, I don't think it helps having just one team that got it right at the start blasting away with it.
Finally, I wouldn't have any regulations on tyres, fuel, Aero or engines.
Meaning, use as many tyres as you want/don't want.
Bring back refuelling if you want it.
Have the rules be made basic regarding the overall look of the car and structure with a minimum weight of say 700kg.
Let people run whatever engines they like with a BHP & torque limit. Like the old days of Turbo V N/A. I don't think it helps that these rules appear to pander to Renault but why should the others suffer I.E. Ferrari. They probably won't ever run a turbo V6 so why would they be interest in developing one?
Basic rules that everyone understand and go race, its supposed to be the pinnacle of technology so why limit teams to what they can do? Just don't sacrifice safety.
That'll do me
i understand the need to ban some things that are commonplace in a modern car like stability control, anti-lock brakes, traction control etc, but seriously these are the best drivers in teh world do we really think that they will find it any harder to handle a gearstick and clutch pedal?
i think all that's needed is less downforce, and better racing circuits (i.e. not designed by tilke, who is an architect and even with a clean sheet of paper can't design a sensible pit entry / exit)
i think all that's needed is less downforce, and better racing circuits (i.e. not designed by tilke, who is an architect and even with a clean sheet of paper can't design a sensible pit entry / exit)
The football analogy is a good one. In football, I think that fans tend to support teams rather than individual players.
In F1 all the media talk is about the drivers, but the sad reality is that if a driver is in the wrong car e.g. FA, there is very little he can do to be better than the drivers in the best cars. All we can hope for is that 2 teammates are sufficiently close to make the racing / championship look like it should be worth following. On the F1 grid performance seems to cover everything from the Premiership, to the Northern Conference league. They do not look like the Premiership of motor racing.
In football no individual team is bigger than the game, yet in F1 Ferrari take $120million before even Bernie gets his take. In football the regulator has some some influence. In F1 the FIA is dead, thrashing about in waters not of its own making.
Football has had a uniform set of rules that have lasted many years. In F1 arbitrary rules are made up each year which fulfill the self-interest of the top teams teams and promoter.
The fans are regarded as "just the mugs who pay for this mediocrity".
In F1 all the media talk is about the drivers, but the sad reality is that if a driver is in the wrong car e.g. FA, there is very little he can do to be better than the drivers in the best cars. All we can hope for is that 2 teammates are sufficiently close to make the racing / championship look like it should be worth following. On the F1 grid performance seems to cover everything from the Premiership, to the Northern Conference league. They do not look like the Premiership of motor racing.
In football no individual team is bigger than the game, yet in F1 Ferrari take $120million before even Bernie gets his take. In football the regulator has some some influence. In F1 the FIA is dead, thrashing about in waters not of its own making.
Football has had a uniform set of rules that have lasted many years. In F1 arbitrary rules are made up each year which fulfill the self-interest of the top teams teams and promoter.
The fans are regarded as "just the mugs who pay for this mediocrity".
MGJohn said:
boroandy87 said:
One thing I would have to say regarding the regs, is that a driver must way/weigh at least 90kgs.
That'll do me
Me too. 90kgs would help separate the men from the boys. Many of the latter being far too lightweight and small of stature.That'll do me
NRS said:
MGJohn said:
boroandy87 said:
One thing I would have to say regarding the regs, is that a driver must way/weigh at least 90kgs.
That'll do me
Me too. 90kgs would help separate the men from the boys. Many of the latter being far too lightweight and small of stature.That'll do me
rdjohn said:
The football analogy is a good one. In football, I think that fans tend to support teams rather than individual players.
In F1 all the media talk is about the drivers, but the sad reality is that if a driver is in the wrong car e.g. FA, there is very little he can do to be better than the drivers in the best cars. All we can hope for is that 2 teammates are sufficiently close to make the racing / championship look like it should be worth following. On the F1 grid performance seems to cover everything from the Premiership, to the Northern Conference league. They do not look like the Premiership of motor racing.
In football no individual team is bigger than the game, yet in F1 Ferrari take $120million before even Bernie gets his take. In football the regulator has some some influence. In F1 the FIA is dead, thrashing about in waters not of its own making.
Football has had a uniform set of rules that have lasted many years. In F1 arbitrary rules are made up each year which fulfill the self-interest of the top teams teams and promoter.
The fans are regarded as "just the mugs who pay for this mediocrity".
The other thing to note with football, when it comes to the Premier League, is that TV revenues are split among all teams - there isn't this weird discrimination that the top 10 teams get the lucre divvied up among them and the bottom team gets zilch - the Premier League has realised it needs to support the bottom teams and help them survive (hence the parachute payments for teams which get demoted), otherwise it risks its appeal being damaged as only a few teams would be able to afford to survive.In F1 all the media talk is about the drivers, but the sad reality is that if a driver is in the wrong car e.g. FA, there is very little he can do to be better than the drivers in the best cars. All we can hope for is that 2 teammates are sufficiently close to make the racing / championship look like it should be worth following. On the F1 grid performance seems to cover everything from the Premiership, to the Northern Conference league. They do not look like the Premiership of motor racing.
In football no individual team is bigger than the game, yet in F1 Ferrari take $120million before even Bernie gets his take. In football the regulator has some some influence. In F1 the FIA is dead, thrashing about in waters not of its own making.
Football has had a uniform set of rules that have lasted many years. In F1 arbitrary rules are made up each year which fulfill the self-interest of the top teams teams and promoter.
The fans are regarded as "just the mugs who pay for this mediocrity".
Europa1 said:
The other thing to note with football, when it comes to the Premier League, is that TV revenues are split among all teams - there isn't this weird discrimination that the top 10 teams get the lucre divvied up among them and the bottom team gets zilch - the Premier League has realised it needs to support the bottom teams and help them survive (hence the parachute payments for teams which get demoted), otherwise it risks its appeal being damaged as only a few teams would be able to afford to survive.
I don't think that all of the TV money is divided up equally amongst Premier League teams, at least some of the money is based on where a team finishes in the league.skinny said:
i understand the need to ban some things that are commonplace in a modern car like stability control, anti-lock brakes, traction control etc, but seriously these are the best drivers in teh world do we really think that they will find it any harder to handle a gearstick and clutch pedal?
i think all that's needed is less downforce, and better racing circuits (i.e. not designed by tilke, who is an architect and even with a clean sheet of paper can't design a sensible pit entry / exit)
There are quite a few drivers on the grid who can't drive 'stick', it's obselete tech as is heel n toe. It's now possible to come all the way from karting through single seaters and only left foot brake. i think all that's needed is less downforce, and better racing circuits (i.e. not designed by tilke, who is an architect and even with a clean sheet of paper can't design a sensible pit entry / exit)
dtrump said:
Me too. A true legend.Gaz. said:
The away goal rule baffles me (the reasons for it rather than the actual rule itself) but most football fans are happy with the rules & the game and mostly unhappy with the cheating, conduct and performance of the participants.
It's to encourage the away team to attack rather than sit back and wait for their own home game because if they count 'double' then scoring away from home is a big advantage. Also one reason why some teams actually prefer to play away in a cup competition as 1 or 2 goals away make the home leg much easier.dtrump said:
I was in stitches when I saw this on sky last night, I also thought Jesus this man talks so much sense, no bulls hit and straight to the pointWhat is it I've been saying for years?
1 - No engine regulations whatsoever. As big as you like, as many turbos as you like, put a rocket in it if you want to. One rule only, it runs on standard unleaded from the garage petrol pump.
2 - No wings. At all.
3 - No limit on number of wheels and tyres, or which may be driven.
4 - No restriction on wheel or tyre size.
5. Maximum overall width, 2 metres. Maximum body width, within inside face of widest tyre.
(These last two would lead to some interesting variations; do you have a wide body with narrow tyres, or a narrow body with wide tyres?)
6 - No communication between car and pit wall other than the driver's voice. And he and the team can discuss anything they like.
1 - No engine regulations whatsoever. As big as you like, as many turbos as you like, put a rocket in it if you want to. One rule only, it runs on standard unleaded from the garage petrol pump.
2 - No wings. At all.
3 - No limit on number of wheels and tyres, or which may be driven.
4 - No restriction on wheel or tyre size.
5. Maximum overall width, 2 metres. Maximum body width, within inside face of widest tyre.
(These last two would lead to some interesting variations; do you have a wide body with narrow tyres, or a narrow body with wide tyres?)
6 - No communication between car and pit wall other than the driver's voice. And he and the team can discuss anything they like.
I'd just be happy if they had regulations like they did in the early/mid 90s.
V8/V10/V12 if you want
Cars always looked different but were in proportion, e.g weren't massively long and thin, Wings looked like they belonged on the car rather than oversized front, undersized rears.
I think obviously back then, cigarette liveries made a difference but the overall designs of the cars were neat and tidy and I remember the racing being good throughout that period, though I was young so perhaps just remember the good bits.
V8/V10/V12 if you want
Cars always looked different but were in proportion, e.g weren't massively long and thin, Wings looked like they belonged on the car rather than oversized front, undersized rears.
I think obviously back then, cigarette liveries made a difference but the overall designs of the cars were neat and tidy and I remember the racing being good throughout that period, though I was young so perhaps just remember the good bits.
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