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Catatafish said:
yep, this is decent summary of their years together:
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/11/hamilton-and...
Pretty close then - 672 to 657 over 3 seasonshttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/11/hamilton-and...
HoHoHo said:
MissChief said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
And because everyone wants to believe that the driver is so much more important than they really are (there are a few exceptions, but you can put them down to just a handful of drives).
On the Lauda/Hunt documentary someone says something like "imagine both McLaren drivers are killed in a motorway car crash. Do you think they'll be at the back of the grid at the next race? Of course not!"
Ron Dennis will make the most logical decision for the team, then justify it. He's not without sentiment, but you can't run a team on sentimentality.
But you can use the evidence presented before you which shows that Jenson comprehensively outclassed his teammate in the same equipment over the course of the season, and not by only a small amount either. And then did the same this year. On the Lauda/Hunt documentary someone says something like "imagine both McLaren drivers are killed in a motorway car crash. Do you think they'll be at the back of the grid at the next race? Of course not!"
Ron Dennis will make the most logical decision for the team, then justify it. He's not without sentiment, but you can't run a team on sentimentality.
It's about £££££££££££££'s into the team.
TheRealFingers99 said:
And because everyone wants to believe that the driver is so much more important than they really are (there are a few exceptions, but you can put them down to just a handful of drives).
On the Lauda/Hunt documentary someone says something like "imagine both McLaren drivers are killed in a motorway car crash. Do you think they'll be at the back of the grid at the next race? Of course not!"
Ron Dennis will make the most logical decision for the team, then justify it. He's not without sentiment, but you can't run a team on sentimentality.
I suspect his justification will not include the fact tat his precious team is skink and unable to attract a significant sponsor.On the Lauda/Hunt documentary someone says something like "imagine both McLaren drivers are killed in a motorway car crash. Do you think they'll be at the back of the grid at the next race? Of course not!"
Ron Dennis will make the most logical decision for the team, then justify it. He's not without sentiment, but you can't run a team on sentimentality.
More along the lines of "Securing the drivers that best deliver a secure future for McLaren"
LDM said:
London424 said:
It seems this is really difficult for some people to grasp.
Pretty sad considering it is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsport!Edited by LDM on Friday 28th November 10:58
At this point in time McLaren can't afford (by the looks of things) to run a team with Alonso and Button. (By most people's estimates that would be $55 - $75 million per year on wages alone).
I don't blame McLaren for making the decision...they've just completely ballsed up the process.
London424 said:
I don't blame McLaren for making the decision...they've just completely ballsed up the process.
Mclaren management are either passengers on a train where they actually have no control, or they are bungling fools who can't make decisions. One of these scenarios is surely true. Both are very bad. toppstuff said:
London424 said:
I don't blame McLaren for making the decision...they've just completely ballsed up the process.
Mclaren management are either passengers on a train where they actually have no control, or they are bungling fools who can't make decisions. One of these scenarios is surely true. Both are very bad. They had to wait until the end of the season to see how much they would bring in in prize money. Now they are seeing if they can get additional funding (sponsors etc) to afford an Alonso and Button combo while losing the KMag money.
London424 said:
HoHoHo said:
MissChief said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
And because everyone wants to believe that the driver is so much more important than they really are (there are a few exceptions, but you can put them down to just a handful of drives).
On the Lauda/Hunt documentary someone says something like "imagine both McLaren drivers are killed in a motorway car crash. Do you think they'll be at the back of the grid at the next race? Of course not!"
Ron Dennis will make the most logical decision for the team, then justify it. He's not without sentiment, but you can't run a team on sentimentality.
But you can use the evidence presented before you which shows that Jenson comprehensively outclassed his teammate in the same equipment over the course of the season, and not by only a small amount either. And then did the same this year. On the Lauda/Hunt documentary someone says something like "imagine both McLaren drivers are killed in a motorway car crash. Do you think they'll be at the back of the grid at the next race? Of course not!"
Ron Dennis will make the most logical decision for the team, then justify it. He's not without sentiment, but you can't run a team on sentimentality.
It's about £££££££££££££'s into the team.
KMAG's sponsor deal is worth around 30M to McLaren.
I have no idea what JB brings.
McLaren are set to bag around 90M this year due to their standing in the constructors.
JB has more than doubled KMAG's points haul this season, therefore he has pulled in around 60M worth of that prize money, meaning on the balance of it they have brought around the same worth to the team this season.
London424 said:
toppstuff said:
London424 said:
I don't blame McLaren for making the decision...they've just completely ballsed up the process.
Mclaren management are either passengers on a train where they actually have no control, or they are bungling fools who can't make decisions. One of these scenarios is surely true. Both are very bad. They had to wait until the end of the season to see how much they would bring in in prize money. Now they are seeing if they can get additional funding (sponsors etc) to afford an Alonso and Button combo while losing the KMag money.
If I were a current sponsor I would find this situation very unsatisfactory. If I was a potential new sponsor, this would make me play hardball over the rate and the terms - although if it were me I would probably take my money elsewhere to somewhere like Williams where there is more value on offer and a much nicer team image.
Ron has a big problem IMO.
toppstuff said:
London424 said:
toppstuff said:
London424 said:
I don't blame McLaren for making the decision...they've just completely ballsed up the process.
Mclaren management are either passengers on a train where they actually have no control, or they are bungling fools who can't make decisions. One of these scenarios is surely true. Both are very bad. They had to wait until the end of the season to see how much they would bring in in prize money. Now they are seeing if they can get additional funding (sponsors etc) to afford an Alonso and Button combo while losing the KMag money.
If I were a current sponsor I would find this situation very unsatisfactory. If I was a potential new sponsor, this would make me play hardball over the rate and the terms - although if it were me I would probably take my money elsewhere to somewhere like Williams where there is more value on offer and a much nicer team image.
Ron has a big problem IMO.
Ron still thinks they are worth the 2008 title wining money.
Matt_N said:
London424 said:
HoHoHo said:
MissChief said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
And because everyone wants to believe that the driver is so much more important than they really are (there are a few exceptions, but you can put them down to just a handful of drives).
On the Lauda/Hunt documentary someone says something like "imagine both McLaren drivers are killed in a motorway car crash. Do you think they'll be at the back of the grid at the next race? Of course not!"
Ron Dennis will make the most logical decision for the team, then justify it. He's not without sentiment, but you can't run a team on sentimentality.
But you can use the evidence presented before you which shows that Jenson comprehensively outclassed his teammate in the same equipment over the course of the season, and not by only a small amount either. And then did the same this year. On the Lauda/Hunt documentary someone says something like "imagine both McLaren drivers are killed in a motorway car crash. Do you think they'll be at the back of the grid at the next race? Of course not!"
Ron Dennis will make the most logical decision for the team, then justify it. He's not without sentiment, but you can't run a team on sentimentality.
It's about £££££££££££££'s into the team.
KMAG's sponsor deal is worth around 30M to McLaren.
I have no idea what JB brings.
McLaren are set to bag around 90M this year due to their standing in the constructors.
JB has more than doubled KMAG's points haul this season, therefore he has pulled in around 60M worth of that prize money, meaning on the balance of it they have brought around the same worth to the team this season.
KMAG brings 30 mil.
JB from what I've seen brings nothing and costs money. (20mil USD I've seen but not sure on that).
If you took JB's points away entirely and only had KMAGs points McLaren would have only finished 1 place lower in the constructors championship.
That difference is only worth $3.5 million (based on the 2013 money).
Whichever way you look at it (from a money point of view) losing KMAG to keep JB needs a lot of money from somewhere.
London424 said:
Matt_N said:
London424 said:
HoHoHo said:
MissChief said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
And because everyone wants to believe that the driver is so much more important than they really are (there are a few exceptions, but you can put them down to just a handful of drives).
On the Lauda/Hunt documentary someone says something like "imagine both McLaren drivers are killed in a motorway car crash. Do you think they'll be at the back of the grid at the next race? Of course not!"
Ron Dennis will make the most logical decision for the team, then justify it. He's not without sentiment, but you can't run a team on sentimentality.
But you can use the evidence presented before you which shows that Jenson comprehensively outclassed his teammate in the same equipment over the course of the season, and not by only a small amount either. And then did the same this year. On the Lauda/Hunt documentary someone says something like "imagine both McLaren drivers are killed in a motorway car crash. Do you think they'll be at the back of the grid at the next race? Of course not!"
Ron Dennis will make the most logical decision for the team, then justify it. He's not without sentiment, but you can't run a team on sentimentality.
It's about £££££££££££££'s into the team.
KMAG's sponsor deal is worth around 30M to McLaren.
I have no idea what JB brings.
McLaren are set to bag around 90M this year due to their standing in the constructors.
JB has more than doubled KMAG's points haul this season, therefore he has pulled in around 60M worth of that prize money, meaning on the balance of it they have brought around the same worth to the team this season.
KMAG brings 30 mil.
JB from what I've seen brings nothing and costs money. (20mil USD I've seen but not sure on that).
If you took JB's points away entirely and only had KMAGs points McLaren would have only finished 1 place lower in the constructors championship.
That difference is only worth $3.5 million (based on the 2013 money).
Whichever way you look at it (from a money point of view) losing KMAG to keep JB needs a lot of money from somewhere.
If it doesn't come together as quickly as they hope and there was an opening at a further improved Williams would FA remain loyal?
Flanders. said:
braddo said:
Apologies if it has already been mentioned but who are the sponsors he brings?
ASOS I think, he does a lot of work with Jack Jones who are owned by ASOS. Back in the day, it was the teams who were sponsored more than the drivers, now it seems to be the drivers as much as the teams.
For the pinnacle of any sport it seems wrong that the elite sportsmen lose out to lesser ones purey because of sponsoership.
Having said that, I wouldn't sponsor Mclaren because their management is a right shower, but I would sponsor Button as he has a good image and is a good amassador for the sport and for the British.
Sadly my advertisng budget this year doesnt run to enough to sponsor any form of motorsport
For the pinnacle of any sport it seems wrong that the elite sportsmen lose out to lesser ones purey because of sponsoership.
Having said that, I wouldn't sponsor Mclaren because their management is a right shower, but I would sponsor Button as he has a good image and is a good amassador for the sport and for the British.
Sadly my advertisng budget this year doesnt run to enough to sponsor any form of motorsport
lucky b said:
Flanders. said:
braddo said:
Apologies if it has already been mentioned but who are the sponsors he brings?
ASOS I think, he does a lot of work with Jack Jones who are owned by ASOS. Or google Anders Holch Povlsen, Bestseller, ASOS, Dorte Riis Madsen
Or read
http://www.business.dk/navne/bestseller-boss-skoed...
Would Anders Holch Povlsen think he's getting effective exposure for his spend? It's possible brand exposure is secondary to the exposure of having a Dane, and therefore Denmark, on the grid. Not forgetting the association of having himself as part of the F1 circus.
LDM said:
London424 said:
Matt_N said:
London424 said:
HoHoHo said:
MissChief said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
And because everyone wants to believe that the driver is so much more important than they really are (there are a few exceptions, but you can put them down to just a handful of drives).
On the Lauda/Hunt documentary someone says something like "imagine both McLaren drivers are killed in a motorway car crash. Do you think they'll be at the back of the grid at the next race? Of course not!"
Ron Dennis will make the most logical decision for the team, then justify it. He's not without sentiment, but you can't run a team on sentimentality.
But you can use the evidence presented before you which shows that Jenson comprehensively outclassed his teammate in the same equipment over the course of the season, and not by only a small amount either. And then did the same this year. On the Lauda/Hunt documentary someone says something like "imagine both McLaren drivers are killed in a motorway car crash. Do you think they'll be at the back of the grid at the next race? Of course not!"
Ron Dennis will make the most logical decision for the team, then justify it. He's not without sentiment, but you can't run a team on sentimentality.
It's about £££££££££££££'s into the team.
KMAG's sponsor deal is worth around 30M to McLaren.
I have no idea what JB brings.
McLaren are set to bag around 90M this year due to their standing in the constructors.
JB has more than doubled KMAG's points haul this season, therefore he has pulled in around 60M worth of that prize money, meaning on the balance of it they have brought around the same worth to the team this season.
KMAG brings 30 mil.
JB from what I've seen brings nothing and costs money. (20mil USD I've seen but not sure on that).
If you took JB's points away entirely and only had KMAGs points McLaren would have only finished 1 place lower in the constructors championship.
That difference is only worth $3.5 million (based on the 2013 money).
Whichever way you look at it (from a money point of view) losing KMAG to keep JB needs a lot of money from somewhere.
If it doesn't come together as quickly as they hope and there was an opening at a further improved Williams would FA remain loyal?
Honda coming back into the sport wanted one of the big name drivers to be driving the car (which by all accounts was either Ham, Vet or Alonso).
By bringing Alonso in and having Honda power makes them "marketable" (is my assumption).
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