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Derek Smith said:
There were photographs of Balestre in SS uniform during the German occupation of France.
Balstre's explanation was that this was the uniform of the resistance (I might have got a bit confused with his explanation) and sued someone who posted the picture.
He comically tried to make out he was in the French SS but as double-agent for the resistance, and that all those that could prove his story were now dead......Balstre's explanation was that this was the uniform of the resistance (I might have got a bit confused with his explanation) and sued someone who posted the picture.
And astonishingly, and laughably, he was believed
Max didn't like Ron. Max had never liked Ron. When he finally got the chance he stitched Ron up to the best of his ability.
The simple version.
(You can ignore Derek's obsession with Max and Nazis and sex, its irrelevant)
And one correction, Max was never Bernie's puppet, Max always regarded himself as *above* Bernie. Bernie cared about money and deals, Max cared about power and Bernie's deal makings around the world accumulated for Max more power and influence.
The simple version.
(You can ignore Derek's obsession with Max and Nazis and sex, its irrelevant)
And one correction, Max was never Bernie's puppet, Max always regarded himself as *above* Bernie. Bernie cared about money and deals, Max cared about power and Bernie's deal makings around the world accumulated for Max more power and influence.
DJRC said:
Max didn't like Ron. Max had never liked Ron. When he finally got the chance he stitched Ron up to the best of his ability.
The simple version.
(You can ignore Derek's obsession with Max and Nazis and sex, its irrelevant)
And one correction, Max was never Bernie's puppet, Max always regarded himself as *above* Bernie. Bernie cared about money and deals, Max cared about power and Bernie's deal makings around the world accumulated for Max more power and influence.
Dereks explanation hardly comes across as "obsessive"; more a mention in passing and a valid one at that. Many observers at the time thought his conduct in his fia role and aspects of the role paying sex revelations were not that far removed.The simple version.
(You can ignore Derek's obsession with Max and Nazis and sex, its irrelevant)
And one correction, Max was never Bernie's puppet, Max always regarded himself as *above* Bernie. Bernie cared about money and deals, Max cared about power and Bernie's deal makings around the world accumulated for Max more power and influence.
And I wouldn't call him a puppet but bernie certainly made a pawn of him at times; bernie was clever enough to let him think he was calling shots, at least until he went too far, perhaps first with mclaren but certainly with his poor handling of the breakaway threat his days were numbered as bernies investment was at stake.
DJRC said:
And one correction, Max was never Bernie's puppet, Max always regarded himself as *above* Bernie. Bernie cared about money and deals, Max cared about power and Bernie's deal makings around the world accumulated for Max more power and influence.
There was only one brain running the FIA, and it wasn't all that far from the ground.Ecclestone's major weakness was, maybe still is, that he could not hobnob with the posh. He needed a front man, and Mosley was all but perfect for that role.
The problems between the two arose when Mosley started to believe he had a brain. Had he followed Ecclestone's direction at Indianapolis the race would have gone ahead but Mosley wanted to show he wasn't a puppet. All he showed was how dangerous he was without the strings being pulled.
The is little doubt, well none actually, that the Stepneygate fiasco was of Mosley's making. From a business point of view it was almost a disaster for the sport. This, together with the American disaster, which both cost the sport £millions, is what sealed Mosley's fate. Ecclestone dumped him, removed his support, and so he was off.
I am no fan of Ecclestone but he is the one who ran the sport. He is the one who got the rights. He is the one who decided, or else. He is the one who survived after Mosley decided to make decisions. Out of the two, his abilities push Mosley's into the shade. There is no comparison.
Since Todt got his feet under the table, Ecclestone's position has been under threat. The reason being that he doesn't dance to Ecclestone's tune, and this leaves the old man in a position of less power than before. Not much, but enough.
Whoever replaces him will make arrangements with the FIA rather than trying to control it.
The Balestre/Mosley election had lots of stories around it of Eccs assuring him that he was secure in post and that the upstart didn't have support whilst all the time he was chasing votes for his boy. Mosley was made by Ecclestone. I agree that Mosley did think of himself as superior to Ecclestone. That, I think, was what cost him his nice little sinecure. If he'd kept his head down, smiled at people, and hadn't made waves, he could have been still posing around the world. Mosley lost the power the FIA once had. It gets little money from F1 as Mosley gave it up. He kept no percentage of the rights. If indeed he did only care about power, he went a funny way about trying to accrue it.
I believe that Mosley's desire for money was every bit as strong as that of Ecclestone. He just needed help to get it.
In whatever business Ecclestone chose he'd have made it to the top. Mosley got near there in motor sport but only thanks to Ecclestone.
Derek and I share a dislike for Mosley.
Motor Sport magazine, sometime earlier this year, possibly when Mark Hughes joined, doing a piece on Ron returning that recapped history and supposedly before the handshake photo between Mosley and Dennis, Mosley leant over and said quietly 'That's $1 Million for spying and $99 Million for being a rather unpleasant four letter word'.
He's part of the Hacked Off posse isn't he.
Motor Sport magazine, sometime earlier this year, possibly when Mark Hughes joined, doing a piece on Ron returning that recapped history and supposedly before the handshake photo between Mosley and Dennis, Mosley leant over and said quietly 'That's $1 Million for spying and $99 Million for being a rather unpleasant four letter word'.
He's part of the Hacked Off posse isn't he.
Edited by carinaman on Tuesday 16th December 11:15
Whatever he said, he had to perform the handshake and admit that Dennis was not aware of any Ferrari details supposedly being used in the McL.
Mosely must have been on major tranquilisers to be photographed shaking hands with one of the most successful men in Formula 1.
If the story is true - of which there is some doubt - it shows that Mosley was really upset by the post Stepneygate processes. He probably knew by then it would cost him his job.
Mosely must have been on major tranquilisers to be photographed shaking hands with one of the most successful men in Formula 1.
If the story is true - of which there is some doubt - it shows that Mosley was really upset by the post Stepneygate processes. He probably knew by then it would cost him his job.
carinaman said:
Derek and I share a dislike for Mosley.
Motor Sport magazine, sometime earlier this year, possibly when Mark Hughes joined, doing a piece on Ron returning that recapped history and supposedly before the handshake photo between Mosley and Dennis, Mosley leant over and said quietly 'That's $1 Million for spying and $99 Million for being a rather unpleasant four letter word'.
K
He's part of the Hacked Off posse isn't he.
That's one of those things that's both easily unbelievable and at the same time 100% believable.Motor Sport magazine, sometime earlier this year, possibly when Mark Hughes joined, doing a piece on Ron returning that recapped history and supposedly before the handshake photo between Mosley and Dennis, Mosley leant over and said quietly 'That's $1 Million for spying and $99 Million for being a rather unpleasant four letter word'.
K
He's part of the Hacked Off posse isn't he.
Edited by carinaman on Tuesday 16th December 11:15
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