Welcome back Jenson?

[Vaud]

JontyR said:

So although it is possibly the latest buzz word to be using, and will soon be up there with ya know, basically, like and probably literally, it is a well known word.

I've heard it for at least 10 years...

[HTP99]

BigBen said:

HTP99 said:

JontyR said:

Vaud said:

Cyder said:

RemarkLima said:

I'm not a scientist nor engineer but I learnt at school that Delta is a term for the difference between two measurements... Maybe I just paid attention.

This, it's not a complex word and is commonly used.

Agreed. Used a lot at our place for any finance reference - "whats the delta between the 2 scenarios" - which I then know to mean the numeric £/€ difference rather than the description of the scenario.

Basic Maths....most people have done some differentiation in their time...the d (or delta) is change, hence velocity ds/dt is rate of change of distance.

So although it is possibly the latest buzz word to be using, and will soon be up there with ya know, basically, like and probably literally, it is a well known word.

I am 39 and don't recall ever having used the word "delta", or having ever heard it being used in normal every day conversation.

Even in conjunction with rivers or airlines?

Does Delta Airlines count?!

[Schermerhorn]

When Magnussen scored a podium in his first ever race, I thought we have another Lewis on our hands. Since then, he's scored just another 21 points (when you take into account Ricciardo's exclusion) over the next 14 races. Sure he has had DNF's but that is a strike rate of just 1.5 points per race.

Jensen on the other hand has a much bigger tally and is simply getting more out of the car. If they were more evenly matched, the gap between Force India and Mclaren would be much higher.

Magnussen has sorted faded into oblivion really. Speed means little without results.

[thebigmacmoomin]

Personally, I think that McLaren would be making a big mistake to let Jenson leave at the end of the season. Think he and Fernando would work well. Kevin Magnusson may have out performed JB on a couple of occasions but that experience counts for something. In the constructors championship, you always need 2 cars being consistent to get the title. JB would be better than KM.

Also, Wouldn't Honda like a Japanese driver in the car next year. I always thought that JB was popular in Japan because of his girlfriend, so this could be the next best thing.

[swisstoni]

I'm reminded of Alonso's last notorious sojourn at McLaren in 2007 where he accused the team of favouritism towards Hamilton because he was British and it was a British team.

JB is, of course, British. I wonder how long it would take for the toys to start coming out of the pram if JB nicked a few.
Ron will be there again too. It would be interesting.

[stew-S160]

I can't see him being in F1 next year, unless it's in a lower team. So he will leave F1 if that's his only option.

[aeropilot]

swisstoni said:

I'm reminded of Alonso's last notorious sojourn at McLaren in 2007 where he accused the team of favouritism towards Hamilton because he was British and it was a British team.

JB is, of course, British. I wonder how long it would take for the toys to start coming out of the pram if JB nicked a few.
Ron will be there again too. It would be interesting.

Indeed. I'm not so sure JB would get on too well with the demanding, devious, back stabbing Spaniard.....and as I've said, can't see JB accepting a No.2 role, and we know Alonso will be demanding No.1 status, so I don't think JB will be there next year.
If that turns out to be the case, I hope Macca provide Alonso with a complete dog of a car for him to trundle around at the back of the grid

[MGJohn]

aeropilot said:

swisstoni said:

I'm reminded of Alonso's last notorious sojourn at McLaren in 2007 where he accused the team of favouritism towards Hamilton because he was British and it was a British team.

JB is, of course, British. I wonder how long it would take for the toys to start coming out of the pram if JB nicked a few.
Ron will be there again too. It would be interesting.

Indeed. I'm not so sure JB would get on too well with the demanding, devious, back stabbing Spaniard.....and as I've said, can't see JB accepting a No.2 role, and we know Alonso will be demanding No.1 status, so I don't think JB will be there next year.
If that turns out to be the case, I hope Macca provide Alonso with a complete dog of a car for him to trundle around at the back of the grid

Oy! That's my favourite team you're on about! Be a bit of a giggle if it comes to pass though... Rascal !...

[Matt_N]

Start something with the delta comment didn't I?!

Coulthard uses the term a lot, mostly when talking about the comparison of lap times and in particular in relation to the delta display on the driver's steering wheels.

[carinaman]

MiniMan64 said:

I wonder how renewed talk of 3 car teams the possible demise of a a team or two will effect the current driver merry go round.

I've watched the Peter Windsor TRE videos for this weekend. While discussing the Bianchi crash he mentions the impact that TV and the money that brings in with reference to whether the race should have been stopped or the SC deployed sooner after Sutil went off.

When discussing the driver changes and I think where that would leave JB he mentions three car teams and how he likes that idea and doesn't get the criticism from those that are less keen.

During the BBC coverage there was a discussion between Eddie Jordan and DC about the importance of being the first or the last race of the season and how that attracts a premium from those countries keen to host those GPs. Eddie Jordan said that Bahrain would have paid extra for hosting the last race and I think he was saying that the double points would mean double points bonuses for the drivers and the teams. DC disagreed saying that when he drove the points would have been 10 for a win and that driver contracts now wouldn't be proportionate in that winning drivers wouldn't be getting 2.5 times the driver bonus he got for a win when he was a driver.

Given the relationship between EJ and Bernie Ecclestone I wonder if the idea of three car teams is being sold to the teams on the basis that three cars would mean the teams will have more opportunities to win money paying points from the FIA? That may tally with Monisha Kalterborn saying that three car teams may mean that the better teams get three cars in the points, denying those the teams that aren't as good a potential points finish. I guess an example of that this weekend would be that three Williams cars could have got into the points robbing the points one of the Force India drivers got?

Sorry if I've repeated what another has said previously in the thread.

Would there be some benefit in keeping Button as he's a known quantity? With McLaren taking a wrong turn with their 2013 car when they could have just developed their 2012 car for the last season of the old regulations?

Would there be any benefit in keeping a constant, a known quantity in JB when the team have the data from when Alonso was with the team in 2007?

Weren't the BAR/Honda years good for winning the Winter Championship? Would having JB around make that more of a dead cert for the 2015 McLaren Honda season?

Edited by carinaman on Tuesday 7th October 06:22

[Lincsblokey]

No data from alonso's 2007 season will be relevant for next yera, non, zilch, nada.

[rigga]

Read an interesting article the other day that refered to the time Alonso last spent at McLaren, he threatened to blab about the Ferrari information that he had been included in emails about if he didn't get his own way within the team ,I'm frankly very surprised Ron Dennis is even considering him for a drive.

[Vaud]

rigga said:

Read an interesting article the other day that refered to the time Alonso last spent at McLaren, he threatened to blab about the Ferrari information that he had been included in emails about if he didn't get his own way within the team ,I'm frankly very surprised Ron Dennis is even considering him for a drive.

Many people are surprised. Boullier might be an effective middle man. Ron always liked Alonso's driving capability and it's what he needs now. If Honda pay and the two can achieve a truce or have Boullier act as the buffer then it might work.

[rigga]

Seven years after their acrimonious split, love is in the air again for Ron Dennis and Fernando Alonso as the driver's need meets McLaren's desperation
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/se...

[paranoid airbag]

Vaud said:

Cyder said:

RemarkLima said:

I'm not a scientist nor engineer but I learnt at school that Delta is a term for the difference between two measurements... Maybe I just paid attention.

This, it's not a complex word and is commonly used.

Agreed. Used a lot at our place for any finance reference - "whats the delta between the 2 scenarios" - which I then know to mean the numeric £/€ difference rather than the description of the scenario.

What you use at work is irrelevant. I'm pretty up to speed on scientific terminology, thanks, I still couldn't necessarily say what "pitstop delta" means. Delta in WHAT, exactly? The number of encouraging words gently whispered into the driver's ear?

I don't know, you haven't said. And having to guess, even an intelligent guess, is stupid unless that's what you're supposed to be learning.

[Vaud]

paranoid airbag said:

What you use at work is irrelevant. I'm pretty up to speed on scientific terminology, thanks, I still couldn't necessarily say what "pitstop delta" means. Delta in WHAT, exactly? The number of encouraging words gently whispered into the driver's ear?

I don't know, you haven't said. And having to guess, even an intelligent guess, is stupid unless that's what you're supposed to be learning.

You are funny, please stay.

[BigBen]

paranoid airbag said:

Vaud said:

Cyder said:

RemarkLima said:

I'm not a scientist nor engineer but I learnt at school that Delta is a term for the difference between two measurements... Maybe I just paid attention.

This, it's not a complex word and is commonly used.

Agreed. Used a lot at our place for any finance reference - "whats the delta between the 2 scenarios" - which I then know to mean the numeric £/€ difference rather than the description of the scenario.

What you use at work is irrelevant. I'm pretty up to speed on scientific terminology, thanks, I still couldn't necessarily say what "pitstop delta" means. Delta in WHAT, exactly? The number of encouraging words gently whispered into the driver's ear?

I don't know, you haven't said. And having to guess, even an intelligent guess, is stupid unless that's what you're supposed to be learning.

We have established it does not mean the Mississippi Delta or Delta airlinea therefore it could mean the delta in lap time between a normal racing lap and a lap which includes a pitstop.

[MGJohn]

rigga said:

Read an interesting article the other day that referred to the time Alonso last spent at McLaren, he threatened to blab about the Ferrari information that he had been included in emails about if he didn't get his own way within the team , I'm frankly very surprised Ron Dennis is even considering him for a drive.
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Your final comment is how I see things.

If he did consider that driver option as a possibility for more than a second or two without dismissing it then for me it would go a long way to explain the status of McLaren within the sport currently.

Maybe a short and curlies scenario. Money talks of course and possibly where Santander money is concerned in F1 it SHOUTS!

[swisstoni]

I bet Ron would love mess Alo around for a few weeks and then say 'Great. so how much can you pay us for the drive?'.

[slipstream 1985]

Can we all assume there are only two drivers that can consistantly drag a poor car to great performances? Those two are Fernando and Lewis. Mclaren know their car will not the lead car and as such need one of these two drivers.