***** Russian Grand Prix 2014 ***** (contains spoilers)

***** Russian Grand Prix 2014 ***** (contains spoilers)

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PhillipM

6,524 posts

190 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Well, that was the main issue, it wedge under the angled back generating massive crushing forces. If it had gone into the vertical side the crash structure would have absorbed much of the impact.

Dr Z

3,396 posts

172 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Gaz. said:
Dr Z said:
Just hope Honda is on the ball.
Well Mercedes hardly gave them a paper weight. Best engine and they're 6th in the WCC. To come runners up they need RBR to score no more than 14 points and Mclaren need 1-2's for the rest of the season. It's far more likely Williams will have double Mclaren's points at the end of the season than Mclaren to leapfrog them for 3rd.
Of course, they can forget about this year...best chance they've got is beating Force India however, their long run pace looks good and it seems McLaren are finally sorting out the issues with their chassis. Good sign for next year I think. I'll be watching carefully the developments of this weekend. May have a bet or two (oops! sorry..smile).

IN51GHT

8,782 posts

211 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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PurpleMoonlight said:
Sorry, I'm struggling to see a material difference between a lump of concrete and a sump of steel, except the latter may not be a uniform flat surface.
It's the going under the lump of steel that caused the problem though.

williamp

19,265 posts

274 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Mclaren start the season with a dire car, but seem to have a competitive car for the last few races of the season. Why have they never tried THAT tactic before??

Munter

31,319 posts

242 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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PurpleMoonlight said:
Munter said:
These are situations where the car has been designed to protect the driver. It's expected to hit solid barriers at speed. And consideration for that has been put into the design and testing.

Problems happen when you introduce something into the environment that hasn't been considered in the design. e.g. Heavy construction equipment.
Sorry, I'm struggling to see a material difference between a lump of concrete and a sump of steel, except the latter may not be a uniform flat surface.
So you can see the difference. That (vast) difference in shape matters. As does the angle of the item compared to the direction the car can be expected to hit it. When it comes to the location and design of the barriers and the cars all of that is taken into consideration.

Neither the design of the recovery vehicle or the design of the car consider a collision between the two. And yet we put them in the same space. And when you do that the laws of probability and physics take over to say eventually the thing we didn't consider will happen. Ok eventually if we hold enough F1 races one of the cars will be hit by a meteorite. But race car vs recovery vehicle does have a higher probability when we actively put them in the same place.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

206 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Can anyone who saw FP2 feed back on the types of runs the Mercs were doing? Because on the face of it Lewis appears to have marmalised Nico.

London424

12,829 posts

176 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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hornetrider said:
Can anyone who saw FP2 feed back on the types of runs the Mercs were doing? Because on the face of it Lewis appears to have marmalised Nico.
Just read that Nico locked up on his fast run so didn't set a 'true' pace time.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

158 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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IN51GHT said:
It's the going under the lump of steel that caused the problem though.
Not necessarily. It could be the slope that saved his life.

n3il123

2,608 posts

214 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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PurpleMoonlight said:
IN51GHT said:
It's the going under the lump of steel that caused the problem though.
Not necessarily. It could be the slope that saved his life.
Can we just keep this thread to the race this weekend? There are plenty of other threads about last weekends crashes and safety already on here.

Adrian W

13,881 posts

229 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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This track looks like a play station game

Lincsblokey

3,175 posts

156 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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London424 said:
hornetrider said:
Can anyone who saw FP2 feed back on the types of runs the Mercs were doing? Because on the face of it Lewis appears to have marmalised Nico.
Just read that Nico locked up on his fast run so didn't set a 'true' pace time.
However, on his long race pace Lewis is about half a second a lap faster than Nico. Infact JB's race pace is on a par with Nico, mid to high 44's whereas nico high 44's.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

206 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Adrian W said:
This track looks like a play station game
It's crap isn't it. I got up early to see FP1 just to check out what it was like - very disappointing.

Jasandjules

69,931 posts

230 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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hornetrider said:
It's crap isn't it. I got up early to see FP1 just to check out what it was like - very disappointing.
The drivers are making a few mistakes learning the circuit though, could be interesting to see how much they push it for an overtake etc.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

206 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Any more chat on potential addition of humps on the outside of Turn 2?

007 VXR

64,187 posts

188 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Jasandjules said:
hornetrider said:
It's crap isn't it. I got up early to see FP1 just to check out what it was like - very disappointing.
The drivers are making a few mistakes learning the circuit though, could be interesting to see how much they push it for an overtake etc.
Think also LH will shine as he seams very good at finding that extra bit of time, so a new track could
give him a nice advantage ?

Altrezia

8,517 posts

212 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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We were just saying that. Poor fker frown

GP2 qualifying looked fun on the track, to be fair, more people going wide/locking up than normal.

Crafty_

13,297 posts

201 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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I think that McLaren's pace is at least in part due to the nature of the track, it looks pretty low downforce and power dependent, hence the Williams are doing ok but Red Bull not.

McLaren's "good" result at Japan was more to do with Button switching tyres on the restart than the upgrades. KMag was still struggling wasn't he.

Lewis has got to grips with the track ok, but the gap to Nico doesn't tell the whole story - it will be much closer tomorrow.

carinaman

21,326 posts

173 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Some good points being made. I missed FP2.

Peter Windsor said that Lewis was finding lines that nobody else was at Turkey in 2007. He could well be doing that now.

With regarding to the differential between Lewis and Nico, I could well have been Rob Wilson and Peter Windsor, or possibly the chap that's recently defected from Autosport to Motor Sport, Lewis is carrying greater pace through corners that means he's exiting corner faster so isn't using as much fuel to maintain his pace. I'd have thought Lewis's pace would means he used more fuel, not less. Perhaps that style of driving works better with the current tyres?

Nico will be nearer Lewis tomorrow after sharing data, unless Lewis has found some lines that he's keeping under his hat for now.

For what it's worth I've said that Nico would be the WDC this year, despite being a Hamilton fan. It looks like I was wrong in that prediction.

BigBen

11,650 posts

231 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Crafty_ said:
McLaren's "good" result at Japan was more to do with Button switching tyres on the restart than the upgrades. KMag was still struggling wasn't he.
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That put JB in a strong position but his pace once he was in that position was very strong. After all the talking down of their Suzuka chances it appears the latest McLaren updates might be going in the right direction.

woof

8,456 posts

278 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Gaz. said:
Anyone watching the Principle press conference? Graeme Lowdon sounds like he has shattered into a thousand pieces.
I was going to post the same.
Massive respect to Marussia for not running a second car this weekend. That's the right decision in my mind. I'm always uncomfortable with teams saying we race on after a team fatality. I thought it was a great shame that the Porsche Supercup championship contenders didn't pull in before the final lap. Sean was a friend and it was certainly something I would have done in respect.

btw it's the anniversary of Sean's death on the 15th October - they're doing a twitter campaign on the day #jump4SEF

On Wednesday next week (15th Oct) JUMP for a very good cause. Take a photo and use the #Jump4SEF tag. Pls RT