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The sports commentator asked Jody a question and got a very short answer and then froze because he had nothing more to ask. Then the newsreader felt she had to rescue him by jumping to ask Jody about Jules as a person. Jody replied he'd never met him so could not comment.
It was amateur hour - no research, lots of assumptions and a BBC team that was just clueless. To have a section about someone who had just passed away contain so little thought and accuracy was both embarrassing and thoughtless IMO.
It was amateur hour - no research, lots of assumptions and a BBC team that was just clueless. To have a section about someone who had just passed away contain so little thought and accuracy was both embarrassing and thoughtless IMO.
dotty said:
Devastated. RIP.
Really? You are devastated about a guy you have presumably never met? Please accept my apologies if you are his best mate or something.... This is very sad news but all the "#RIP" messages are just a pointless 4 letters typed by people who want to appear to be 'paying tribute' but are too ignorant and lazy to actually write anything thoughtful about the deceased.
As for the outpouring of public 'grief', well it is just nauseating. Most of the people claiming to be devastated and talking about what a wonderful person he was will have never even met the guy; even 99% of those within the F1 paddock will have been colleagues and causal acquaintances at most.
IDK, maybe I'm just a heartless b
d because I also thought all the 'get well' and 'keep fighting' messages about Jules (and Michael) were in very bad taste once the extent of the injuries to both were known. A post of this nature was bound to turn up sooner or later. You always get them on forums after someone has died.
I am not "devastated" personally because, like you say, I didn't know the chap or his family. And frankly, being of a certain age, I find it rather difficult to empathise with the young drivers of today.
But I can understand why people might feel upset at the news. I was devastated when Jim Clark was killed - and Graham Hill - and Bill Ivy - and Mike Hailwood - and Jo Siffert - and Jo Bonnier etc etc etc.
I am not "devastated" personally because, like you say, I didn't know the chap or his family. And frankly, being of a certain age, I find it rather difficult to empathise with the young drivers of today.
But I can understand why people might feel upset at the news. I was devastated when Jim Clark was killed - and Graham Hill - and Bill Ivy - and Mike Hailwood - and Jo Siffert - and Jo Bonnier etc etc etc.
Eric Mc said:
I was devastated when Jim Clark was killed - and Graham Hill - and Bill Ivy - and Mike Hailwood - and Jo Siffert - and Jo Bonnier etc etc etc.
I assume you felt sad and a sense of loss, etc? But I bet you were not 'devastated' - not destroyed and overwhelmed by grief, unable to cope with life, rolling around crying all day, etc, etc. Which is what many of these nutters make out on social media (ttter being particularly bad). When a sibling, parent, partner or child dies people are devastated.... maybe a good friend also.... but nobody (well no normal healthy person) is so moved by the death of a public figure they didn't personally know.
Also while I agree with the principle of never speaking ill of the dead I think things go a bit too far in the other direction when people are lining up to practically crown Jules world champion is a bit tasteless as well. It is not necessary to hype up his achievements to appreciate how sad his death is... people die all the time and any death is a sad loss for somebody, even if the deceased was very ordinary.
Edited by VolvoT5 on Sunday 19th July 09:28
VolvoT5 said:
I assume you felt sad and a sense of loss, etc? But I bet you were not 'devastated' - not destroyed and overwhelmed by grief, unable to cope with life, rolling around crying all day, etc, etc. Which is what many of these nutters make out on social media (ttter being particularly bad).
When a sibling, parent, partner or child dies people are devastated.... maybe a good friend also.... but nobody (well no normal healthy person) is so moved by the death of a public figure they didn't personally know.
Also while I agree with the principle of never speaking ill of the dead I think things go a bit too far in the other direction when people are lining up to practically crown Jules world champion is a bit tasteless as well. It is not necessary to hype up his achievements to appreciate how sad his death is... people die all the time and any death is a sad loss for somebody, even if the deceased was very ordinary.
I broadly agree with these sentiments, but perhaps your timing or placement might have been better considered.tter being particularly bad). When a sibling, parent, partner or child dies people are devastated.... maybe a good friend also.... but nobody (well no normal healthy person) is so moved by the death of a public figure they didn't personally know.
Also while I agree with the principle of never speaking ill of the dead I think things go a bit too far in the other direction when people are lining up to practically crown Jules world champion is a bit tasteless as well. It is not necessary to hype up his achievements to appreciate how sad his death is... people die all the time and any death is a sad loss for somebody, even if the deceased was very ordinary.
Edited by VolvoT5 on Sunday 19th July 09:28
VolvoT5 said:
Really? You are devastated about a guy you have presumably never met? Please accept my apologies if you are his best mate or something....
This is very sad news but all the "#RIP" messages are just a pointless 4 letters typed by people who want to appear to be 'paying tribute' but are too ignorant and lazy to actually write anything thoughtful about the deceased.
As for the outpouring of public 'grief', well it is just nauseating. Most of the people claiming to be devastated and talking about what a wonderful person he was will have never even met the guy; even 99% of those within the F1 paddock will have been colleagues and causal acquaintances at most.
IDK, maybe I'm just a heartless bd because I also thought all the 'get well' and 'keep fighting' messages about Jules (and Michael) were in very bad taste once the extent of the injuries to both were known.
I'm sure you don't mean to come across as a complete dick?This is very sad news but all the "#RIP" messages are just a pointless 4 letters typed by people who want to appear to be 'paying tribute' but are too ignorant and lazy to actually write anything thoughtful about the deceased.
As for the outpouring of public 'grief', well it is just nauseating. Most of the people claiming to be devastated and talking about what a wonderful person he was will have never even met the guy; even 99% of those within the F1 paddock will have been colleagues and causal acquaintances at most.
IDK, maybe I'm just a heartless b
d because I also thought all the 'get well' and 'keep fighting' messages about Jules (and Michael) were in very bad taste once the extent of the injuries to both were known. On every forum I use there is always some complete knob who has to cast themselves as the "voice of reason" when a death has been posted of someone famous who 99.99% of the "grievers" will never have met. People react to sudden unexpected death in an emotional way, there is no right way. Remember the sea of flowers for Princess Di. It isn't wrong because they never met her it's just people doing what people do. Your "insight" is not big, it's not clever and it's not welcome.
Why not take your voice of reason and have a chat with someone about your delusions of superiority?
VolvoT5 said:
I assume you felt sad and a sense of loss, etc? But I bet you were not 'devastated' - not destroyed and overwhelmed by grief, unable to cope with life, rolling around crying all day, etc, etc. Which is what many of these nutters make out on social media (ttter being particularly bad).
When a sibling, parent, partner or child dies people are devastated.... maybe a good friend also.... but nobody (well no normal healthy person) is so moved by the death of a public figure they didn't personally know.
Also while I agree with the principle of never speaking ill of the dead I think things go a bit too far in the other direction when people are lining up to practically crown Jules world champion is a bit tasteless as well. It is not necessary to hype up his achievements to appreciate how sad his death is... people die all the time and any death is a sad loss for somebody, even if the deceased was very ordinary.
How do you know how I felt? I was 9 when Clark was killed and based on my life experience up to that point, I WAS devastated. It was probably my first experience of death to someone I thought of as a hero.tter being particularly bad). When a sibling, parent, partner or child dies people are devastated.... maybe a good friend also.... but nobody (well no normal healthy person) is so moved by the death of a public figure they didn't personally know.
Also while I agree with the principle of never speaking ill of the dead I think things go a bit too far in the other direction when people are lining up to practically crown Jules world champion is a bit tasteless as well. It is not necessary to hype up his achievements to appreciate how sad his death is... people die all the time and any death is a sad loss for somebody, even if the deceased was very ordinary.
Edited by VolvoT5 on Sunday 19th July 09:28
Rumblestripe said:
I'm sure you don't mean to come across as a complete dick?
On every forum I use there is always some complete knob who has to cast themselves as the "voice of reason" when a death has been posted of someone famous who 99.99% of the "grievers" will never have met. People react to sudden unexpected death in an emotional way, there is no right way. Remember the sea of flowers for Princess Di. It isn't wrong because they never met her it's just people doing what people do. Your "insight" is not big, it's not clever and it's not welcome.
Why not take your voice of reason and have a chat with someone about your delusions of superiority?
I wasn't painting myself as a voice of reason, I didn't offer any insight or superiority at all, I just dared to question the reaction. Wasn't expecting my comments to be popular TBH, though not sure I warrant your abuse but whatever. On every forum I use there is always some complete knob who has to cast themselves as the "voice of reason" when a death has been posted of someone famous who 99.99% of the "grievers" will never have met. People react to sudden unexpected death in an emotional way, there is no right way. Remember the sea of flowers for Princess Di. It isn't wrong because they never met her it's just people doing what people do. Your "insight" is not big, it's not clever and it's not welcome.
Why not take your voice of reason and have a chat with someone about your delusions of superiority?
I do remember the reaction when Diana died, I would have been about 11 at the time and I didn't understand the reaction then, I thought it was insane and I still don't get similar events now.
There may be no right way to react to a sudden death but there is definitely a wrong way IMO. This public recreational grieving seems disrespectful to the deceased and his family... just seems like everyone is desperate to get in on the grief. Just look at the media interviews that have taken place (I believe others have commented on this too) - basically the very definition of 'grief porn'. People sobbing, weeping and wailing over public figures they have relationship with is just self absorbed attention seeking.
Rumblestripe said:
VolvoT5 said:
Really? You are devastated about a guy you have presumably never met? Please accept my apologies if you are his best mate or something....
This is very sad news but all the "#RIP" messages are just a pointless 4 letters typed by people who want to appear to be 'paying tribute' but are too ignorant and lazy to actually write anything thoughtful about the deceased.
As for the outpouring of public 'grief', well it is just nauseating. Most of the people claiming to be devastated and talking about what a wonderful person he was will have never even met the guy; even 99% of those within the F1 paddock will have been colleagues and causal acquaintances at most.
IDK, maybe I'm just a heartless bd because I also thought all the 'get well' and 'keep fighting' messages about Jules (and Michael) were in very bad taste once the extent of the injuries to both were known.
I'm sure you don't mean to come across as a complete dick?This is very sad news but all the "#RIP" messages are just a pointless 4 letters typed by people who want to appear to be 'paying tribute' but are too ignorant and lazy to actually write anything thoughtful about the deceased.
As for the outpouring of public 'grief', well it is just nauseating. Most of the people claiming to be devastated and talking about what a wonderful person he was will have never even met the guy; even 99% of those within the F1 paddock will have been colleagues and causal acquaintances at most.
IDK, maybe I'm just a heartless b
d because I also thought all the 'get well' and 'keep fighting' messages about Jules (and Michael) were in very bad taste once the extent of the injuries to both were known. On every forum I use there is always some complete knob who has to cast themselves as the "voice of reason" when a death has been posted of someone famous who 99.99% of the "grievers" will never have met. People react to sudden unexpected death in an emotional way, there is no right way. Remember the sea of flowers for Princess Di. It isn't wrong because they never met her it's just people doing what people do. Your "insight" is not big, it's not clever and it's not welcome.
Why not take your voice of reason and have a chat with someone about your delusions of superiority?
VolvoT5 said:
Rumblestripe said:
I'm sure you don't mean to come across as a complete dick?
On every forum I use there is always some complete knob who has to cast themselves as the "voice of reason" when a death has been posted of someone famous who 99.99% of the "grievers" will never have met. People react to sudden unexpected death in an emotional way, there is no right way. Remember the sea of flowers for Princess Di. It isn't wrong because they never met her it's just people doing what people do. Your "insight" is not big, it's not clever and it's not welcome.
Why not take your voice of reason and have a chat with someone about your delusions of superiority?
I wasn't painting myself as a voice of reason, I didn't offer any insight or superiority at all, I just dared to question the reaction. Wasn't expecting my comments to be popular TBH, though not sure I warrant your abuse but whatever. On every forum I use there is always some complete knob who has to cast themselves as the "voice of reason" when a death has been posted of someone famous who 99.99% of the "grievers" will never have met. People react to sudden unexpected death in an emotional way, there is no right way. Remember the sea of flowers for Princess Di. It isn't wrong because they never met her it's just people doing what people do. Your "insight" is not big, it's not clever and it's not welcome.
Why not take your voice of reason and have a chat with someone about your delusions of superiority?
I do remember the reaction when Diana died, I would have been about 11 at the time and I didn't understand the reaction then, I thought it was insane and I still don't get similar events now.
There may be no right way to react to a sudden death but there is definitely a wrong way IMO. This public recreational grieving seems disrespectful to the deceased and his family... just seems like everyone is desperate to get in on the grief. Just look at the media interviews that have taken place (I believe others have commented on this too) - basically the very definition of 'grief porn'. People sobbing, weeping and wailing over public figures they have relationship with is just self absorbed attention seeking.
If you are married, then does your obviously long suffering spouse ever look at you whilst rolling her eyes at the crass nonsense coming out of your mouth?
Or are you too boorish to notice?
Jules Bianchi's death is very sad and whilst I and the very vast majority of us didn't know the chap, it is OK to be affected by it. It doesn't make you a "grief w
e" or some other form of nonsensical rubbish, but a human who is saddened by the passing of a young man. Coincidentally, a young man most of us probably saw get injured, which adds to it somewhat.He was a fantastic driver and likely a star of the future, it's a terrible shame that he'll never get the chance to show us his talents in a competitive F1 car.
VolvoT5 said:
I wasn't painting myself as a voice of reason, I didn't offer any insight or superiority at all, I just dared to question the reaction. Wasn't expecting my comments to be popular TBH, though not sure I warrant your abuse but whatever.
I do remember the reaction when Diana died, I would have been about 11 at the time and I didn't understand the reaction then, I thought it was insane and I still don't get similar events now.
There may be no right way to react to a sudden death but there is definitely a wrong way IMO. This public recreational grieving seems disrespectful to the deceased and his family... just seems like everyone is desperate to get in on the grief. Just look at the media interviews that have taken place (I believe others have commented on this too) - basically the very definition of 'grief porn'. People sobbing, weeping and wailing over public figures they have relationship with is just self absorbed attention seeking.
fI do remember the reaction when Diana died, I would have been about 11 at the time and I didn't understand the reaction then, I thought it was insane and I still don't get similar events now.
There may be no right way to react to a sudden death but there is definitely a wrong way IMO. This public recreational grieving seems disrespectful to the deceased and his family... just seems like everyone is desperate to get in on the grief. Just look at the media interviews that have taken place (I believe others have commented on this too) - basically the very definition of 'grief porn'. People sobbing, weeping and wailing over public figures they have relationship with is just self absorbed attention seeking.
king hell. Here? On this thread you choose to start an argument? Utterly disrepectful. You can have whatever opinion you want, I don't care, but what you need to learn is when to keep it to yourself. Seriously.Terrable news, if not unexpected 
RIP Jules
I can see volvot5s point (to a point) i'd be devistated if a family member died or a friend but devistated over a stranger? no.
Ok i get this is not the thread to do this but if people are gonna beat up on him here them why not "understand" his comment on the same thread.
RIP Jules I can see volvot5s point (to a point) i'd be devistated if a family member died or a friend but devistated over a stranger? no.
Ok i get this is not the thread to do this but if people are gonna beat up on him here them why not "understand" his comment on the same thread.
A bit slow to this, it's been a long weekend. Up early on Saturday so found out quite soon, took a while to digest. I wore one of my Marussia jackets on Saturday at times as a small gesture, and will find other excuses to wear it through the week.
I still have the (fantastic) artwork commissioned by Jules and gifted to all the staff at the end of his first season, to say thanks to everyone - to my shame it's been hidden away in a box with some others, it will most definitely be getting framed. What struck me most was that he was so modest, despite his position and achievements, and seemed completely relaxed about sitting down to lunch in the canteen with everyone else. After Monaco '14, he visited every single person in the factory - normally it's the driver just looking to shake hands and say hello to the team to keep up appearances, but this time everyone wanted to shake his hand, myself included, and congratulate him for what he had achieved. That day won't ever leave my memory. The whole team had such faith and confidence in his talent, I'm sure it's part of what kept everyone going through the challenging times, and why the accident was such a massive blow to the team, especially with the memories of Maria de Villota so painfully fresh in the mind.
Thanks for everything Jules, may you rest in peace.
I still have the (fantastic) artwork commissioned by Jules and gifted to all the staff at the end of his first season, to say thanks to everyone - to my shame it's been hidden away in a box with some others, it will most definitely be getting framed. What struck me most was that he was so modest, despite his position and achievements, and seemed completely relaxed about sitting down to lunch in the canteen with everyone else. After Monaco '14, he visited every single person in the factory - normally it's the driver just looking to shake hands and say hello to the team to keep up appearances, but this time everyone wanted to shake his hand, myself included, and congratulate him for what he had achieved. That day won't ever leave my memory. The whole team had such faith and confidence in his talent, I'm sure it's part of what kept everyone going through the challenging times, and why the accident was such a massive blow to the team, especially with the memories of Maria de Villota so painfully fresh in the mind.
Thanks for everything Jules, may you rest in peace.
Eric Mc said:
How do you know how I felt? I was 9 when Clark was killed and based on my life experience up to that point, I WAS devastated. It was probably my first experience of death to someone I thought of as a hero.
Likewise Eric - perfectly justifiable way to feel. Jim Clark was my first sporting hero, even in '66 when we won the World Cup, Messrs Moore and Hurst et al could never compete with Jimmy Clark. I was only 9 when he died but felt a tangible sense of loss like I'd never felt before in my short life. We had family friends who worked for BRM and was also affected by the deaths of Jo Siffert and Pedro Rodriguez. I was at Brands Hatch and witnessed Jo's accident, which I still recall to this day.I respect people's feelings at times like this, whatever they may be, and don't feel the right to criticise.
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