Is Ron correct?

Is Ron correct?

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ralphrj

3,508 posts

190 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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ash73 said:
Brawn won the championship with a customer engine bolted in the back, literally as an afterthought. What is RD going on about?
The original post was missing a key bit of information - RD's comments were in relation to the current hybrid engines.


Bradgate

2,819 posts

146 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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Guilty wink.

I thought I remembered correctly, just had to look it up.

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

223 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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ralphrj said:
ash73 said:
Brawn won the championship with a customer engine bolted in the back, literally as an afterthought. What is RD going on about?
The original post was missing a key bit of information - RD's comments were in relation to the current hybrid engines.
Brawn was a one trick pony, red bull were onto them by mid season.

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

223 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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ralphrj said:
ash73 said:
Brawn won the championship with a customer engine bolted in the back, literally as an afterthought. What is RD going on about?
The original post was missing a key bit of information - RD's comments were in relation to the current hybrid engines.
Brawn was a one trick pony, red bull were onto them by mid season.

Ken Sington

3,958 posts

237 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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Surely the title of this thread should be "Is Ron in an affirmatory state of mental equilibrium leading to a positive analysis of the situation?"

rdjohn

Original Poster:

6,135 posts

194 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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AndStilliRise said:
arcturus said:
Could it be that Mercedes have not given McLaren all the information they need knowing that they would be changing to Honda in 2015? If I was a Mercedes head honcho, I would be concerned about giving McLaren too much information in such circumstances.
Could have something there...
If this is the case, then the FIA need to urgently step in as they required equality between all engines and systems supplied to customers.

The key issue is source code. If customer engines are not running the same source code as Mercedes run in their own cars then something is seriously wrong and is In breach of FIA rules.

Despite their considerable resources, McLaren seem to be loosing compared to other Mercedes customers.

It would have been wrong if the standard McLaren Electronics ECU source code was unknown to every customer other than The Mclaren F1 garage, but I struggle to believe that the FIA would have been unaware, if this were the case

It seems odd that Mercedes have chosen not to refute Ron's assertion.

In 2016, Honda may supply other customer teams. This issue needs to be nipped-in-the-bud,. And Soon.


Vvroom

1,170 posts

189 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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Ken Sington said:
Surely the title of this thread should be "Is Ron in an affirmatory state of mental equilibrium leading to a positive analysis of the situation?"
Brilliant. Who doesn't love a bit of Ron-speak.


zac510

5,546 posts

205 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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rdjohn said:
If this is the case, then the FIA need to urgently step in as they required equality between all engines and systems supplied to customers.

The key issue is source code. If customer engines are not running the same source code as Mercedes run in their own cars then something is seriously wrong and is In breach of FIA rules.

Despite their considerable resources, McLaren seem to be loosing compared to other Mercedes customers.

It would have been wrong if the standard McLaren Electronics ECU source code was unknown to every customer other than The Mclaren F1 garage, but I struggle to believe that the FIA would have been unaware, if this were the case

It seems odd that Mercedes have chosen not to refute Ron's assertion.

In 2016, Honda may supply other customer teams. This issue needs to be nipped-in-the-bud,. And Soon.
Look at this FIA Technical Report from Saturday on Russia. On page 4 it says that all teams were using the version SR643 ECU firmware.
http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/championshi...

I am 100% sure that Ron's "source code" quote is inaccurate terminology but he is in fact talking about is the mapping of the engine which is separate and thus perhaps for whatever reason Mercedes are not giving McLaren the latest specification mapping.

entropy

5,403 posts

202 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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Just read the article in its complete context.

You have to remember Ron has a habit of speaking bolloks AKA Ron-speak and most likely wouldn't call a spade a spade.

I think "source code" was meant to be an analogy rather than literal statement of fact because he was making the point that being being a customer teams don't win titles.

Source code = benefitting from factory support and I would imagine an example of this would be of RBR/Renault/off-throttle blown exhausts. Funnily enough Helmut Marko recently claimed RBR are Renault customer team and Lotus is the factory; Renault claim they favour no one - Benetton won with Renault when Williams was regarded as the factory team.

dazm

158 posts

173 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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The merc engines McLaren are supplied with are almost identical to the factory team - as far as hardware is concerned. Software is a completely different matter.

-crookedtail-

1,558 posts

189 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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entropy said:
Benetton won with Renault when Williams was regarded as the factory team.
Interestingly enough I've just read a post on FB (not sure if accurate) but 19 years to the day that Michael won his second world title with Benetton. Good gawd I feel old. #keepfightingmichael