2015 - Three car teams?
Discussion
TheHighlander said:
Would 3 car teams essentially rule the 2 car teams out of potentially doing well in the constructors championships as it will be the stronger teams running 3 cars.
I'd see it being fairest if a third car was effectively invisible as far as constructors points are concerned, and any constructors points it would have scored going to the next car. Drivers points as normal thoughdeeen said:
If the 3 car teams were Red Bull and Ferrari, would that give Button the drive he is looking for?
If it does happen I'm sure Red Bull would slot one of their academy drivers in. So that would leave Ferrari as his only lifeline. I'm not a supporter of three car teams but if keeps JB in a competitive car I'll probably change my tune!!
It's classic Bernie 'Smoke and Mirrors' and 'Look in to the eyes, not around the eyes... you are feeling sleepy, give me 20B USD'.
He wants to put himself in an excellent bargaining position with all the smaller teams. He's done that by indicating that if they can't play and want to take the ball with them they're taking the wrong ball and they can go and play elsewhere because some/all of the bigger teams will field more cars. Now make your choice. No doubt they issued a veiled threat that they were going to walk if they didn't get some concessions and he rebuffed them.
This is also aimed at the newer teams who have indicated that they want to sign up for 2015 onwards. You know the entry requirements so either sign up or don't.
He wants to put himself in an excellent bargaining position with all the smaller teams. He's done that by indicating that if they can't play and want to take the ball with them they're taking the wrong ball and they can go and play elsewhere because some/all of the bigger teams will field more cars. Now make your choice. No doubt they issued a veiled threat that they were going to walk if they didn't get some concessions and he rebuffed them.
This is also aimed at the newer teams who have indicated that they want to sign up for 2015 onwards. You know the entry requirements so either sign up or don't.
Three car teams would be silly...I can just see it now
- SC comes out, now the teams with 3 cars have to triple stack their drivers, there probably isn't even enough room in some pitlanes to do this
- The third car in the race basically has to do something completely different with strategy or will be 2 laps later on tyre changes meaning they can be undercut at pretty much every stop
- Which car gets the new parts first or do you now have to wait until parts are available for all three cars?
I'm sure there are many more instances where having three cars for some teams and not others will be ridiculous...and as for sticking 3 top name drivers in the same team that sounds like an even bigger recipe for disaster.
- SC comes out, now the teams with 3 cars have to triple stack their drivers, there probably isn't even enough room in some pitlanes to do this
- The third car in the race basically has to do something completely different with strategy or will be 2 laps later on tyre changes meaning they can be undercut at pretty much every stop
- Which car gets the new parts first or do you now have to wait until parts are available for all three cars?
I'm sure there are many more instances where having three cars for some teams and not others will be ridiculous...and as for sticking 3 top name drivers in the same team that sounds like an even bigger recipe for disaster.
London424 said:
... and as for sticking 3 top name drivers in the same team that sounds like an even bigger recipe for disaster.
Such as, imagine someone (say Button at Mercedes for example) signed up to be the third driver in a 3-car team, then more teams joined F1 thereby rendering 3-car teams unnecessary. Would that leave him without a drive?Edited by Evangelion on Monday 10th November 14:36
On one hand 3 car teams could be very exciting (Vettel, Alonso, Raikkonen) at Ferrar or (Button, Hamilton, Rosberg) at Merc for example. On the other hand it would kill off teams like Sauber and Force India.... and I can imagine even Williams could be in trouble (which would be a total disaster if the sport lost them).
So I hope it doesn't happen. The teams really need their heads banging together and to distribute the funds they already have in a fairer way which will ensure the stability of the sport for years to come. Other sports manage it so why can't F1?
So I hope it doesn't happen. The teams really need their heads banging together and to distribute the funds they already have in a fairer way which will ensure the stability of the sport for years to come. Other sports manage it so why can't F1?
London424 said:
Three car teams would be silly...I can just see it now
- SC comes out, now the teams with 3 cars have to triple stack their drivers, there probably isn't even enough room in some pitlanes to do this
- The third car in the race basically has to do something completely different with strategy or will be 2 laps later on tyre changes meaning they can be undercut at pretty much every stop
- Which car gets the new parts first or do you now have to wait until parts are available for all three cars?
I'm sure there are many more instances where having three cars for some teams and not others will be ridiculous...and as for sticking 3 top name drivers in the same team that sounds like an even bigger recipe for disaster.
I don't agree with three cars but some of your reasoning doesn't hold water.- SC comes out, now the teams with 3 cars have to triple stack their drivers, there probably isn't even enough room in some pitlanes to do this
- The third car in the race basically has to do something completely different with strategy or will be 2 laps later on tyre changes meaning they can be undercut at pretty much every stop
- Which car gets the new parts first or do you now have to wait until parts are available for all three cars?
I'm sure there are many more instances where having three cars for some teams and not others will be ridiculous...and as for sticking 3 top name drivers in the same team that sounds like an even bigger recipe for disaster.
Unless there are many more cars overall, which is unlikely, the garages/pit space won't be an issue. Three car teams would have three garages and more space than normal.
Spreading stops over a couple of laps shouldn't be an issue. Plenty of times when that happens now.
Parts shouldn't really be an issue, assuming teams cater properly for running three cars. Although if, as proposed, third cars don't score points then the allocation of bits is easy. Even if they were scoring and parts were an issue, the car with most points could get them first.
For me, non scoring cars are pointless in more ways than one and 10/12 2 car teams is much preferable for all sorts of reasons.
Somebody suggested that the TV money should be divided equally between all teams. The teams remain free to raise additional money in anyway they like. That way the teams become worth something, people will invest in the teams at the back, because they always have a certain minimum income and therefore shareholder value.
I believe that's how it works in the NFL, the richest sport in the world.
I believe that's how it works in the NFL, the richest sport in the world.
The WRC had a system (or may still have...) whereby the teams could run 2 or 3 cars but only nominate two for WCC points. This meant that often, there was a Lead Driver (always nominated) and different second-nominated drivers depending on the event (e.g. Panizzi tarmac specialist for Tour de Corse). The second car was also sometimes rotated with different drivers.
Similarly, why would a 3rd F1 car need to keep the same driver all year? I see a 3-car team set-up as a possible low-risk way of bringing in new, young drivers. For example, someone who was familiar with the track. Solves one of today's F1 issues - there is no testing so there is no time to try out new drivers.
Similarly, why would a 3rd F1 car need to keep the same driver all year? I see a 3-car team set-up as a possible low-risk way of bringing in new, young drivers. For example, someone who was familiar with the track. Solves one of today's F1 issues - there is no testing so there is no time to try out new drivers.
How do people feel about F1 becoming a 1 or 2 make series, as that's where we are heading (or talking anyway) at the moment in my opinion!
2014 - 11 teams / 2 cars each.
2015 - No Caterham/Marussia so 9 teams / 2 cars each at the back, 3 at the front.
2016/17 - VJ has enough and Sauber can't scrape the money so 7 teams / 3 cars each.
2018/19 - Mercedes board decide F1 doesn't add-up any more/Dietrich Mastick loses a little interest so drops Toro Rosso so 6 teams / and what, 4 cars each?
2020 - Can Lotus and Williams afford it/if they aren't winning do Red Bull want it? 2 teams / 10 cars each.
Yes, it's the extream view and unlikely but it's where were' heading if the rich teams don't stop taking more than they give back to the sport.
2014 - 11 teams / 2 cars each.
2015 - No Caterham/Marussia so 9 teams / 2 cars each at the back, 3 at the front.
2016/17 - VJ has enough and Sauber can't scrape the money so 7 teams / 3 cars each.
2018/19 - Mercedes board decide F1 doesn't add-up any more/Dietrich Mastick loses a little interest so drops Toro Rosso so 6 teams / and what, 4 cars each?
2020 - Can Lotus and Williams afford it/if they aren't winning do Red Bull want it? 2 teams / 10 cars each.
Yes, it's the extream view and unlikely but it's where were' heading if the rich teams don't stop taking more than they give back to the sport.
London424 said:
MartG said:
Though if the 3rd car doesn't score points, where is the motivation to do anything other than trundle round at the back then retire ?
And certainly no point in putting 3 top drivers in cars. e.g. Mercedes run Rosberg & Hamilton as WDC scorers, and put Wehrlein in the 3rd car to gain experience, McLaren could run Alonso/Button/KMag or Alonso/Kmag/Vandoorne.
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