Marussia to miss Austin GP
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Giving the bigger teams a bigger slice of the pie (even before factoring in prize money) was never exactly going to lead to a sustainable 11 team championship.
Ferrari will presumably earn more from the rights holders than Marussia/Caterham etc will earn all season purely because they are Ferrrari, before they even turn a wheel.
I'm expecting the big teams to say what a shame that we've lost a few teams next weekend, even though they are quite happily working quietly away in the background to secure their own individual deals with Bernie with no thought of even attempting to look at the bigger picture.
Ferrari will presumably earn more from the rights holders than Marussia/Caterham etc will earn all season purely because they are Ferrrari, before they even turn a wheel.
I'm expecting the big teams to say what a shame that we've lost a few teams next weekend, even though they are quite happily working quietly away in the background to secure their own individual deals with Bernie with no thought of even attempting to look at the bigger picture.
rubystone said:
woof said:
MSV / Palmer don't have anywhere near the money or backers. They don't even have enough for a F1 test! And I'd expect even with JP being the egomaniac that he is, would still be able to realise that buying a team to run his son would be utter insanity !
Do you not think that Comma's Brasilian owners might not be interested then? Do you know how much Chily and Aon put into Max last year and this? I hear it was around £6m p.a. last year, but am not sure about the investment this year...it almost sounds like it was on a 3 race cycle!
A GP2 Carlin drive will cost you 2.5million euros (full price) Though many will be able to get a deal. Cheapest drive is around 1million with a crappy team.
Crafty_ said:
RYH64E said:
Too expensive, add nothing to the show, and sound s
t.
Oh for ft.ks sake man stop acting like a petulant 3 year old.The engine are adding to the show this year, if you can't see that then clearly you don't really understand the technology on the cars at all.
I think they sound pretty good actually, not like a V10 at 20,000rpm, but then only a moron would expect them to sound like that. There is an awful lot more to their sound than just a high pitched wailing.
And yes the engines are very expensive, but who is paying for them ? the manufacturers and the teams, who voted to bring these engines in to the sport. Some times turkeys do vote for christmas.
I'll ask again the question that you refuse to answer - if F1 is so horribly s
t and you hate the engines, the tracks, Bernie, the teams, the drivers why the fk do you keep watching it and spending your time pissing and moaning ? turn it off, go for a walk or something.rdjohn said:
I am surprised that you say that the engine costs are similar to last year, and thought the increased costs to the small teams was well documented.
What I meant was that although we are talking about large sums of money as the figures you posted show I haven't seen how much more this years engines are costing over last years.Not wishing to fire up the engine (!) discussion again but I have been pleasantly surprised seeing them run live this year. The vast difference in sound between Merc, Ferrari and Renault and the further, more subtle differences between the same engine and different teams creates interest, IMO.
Further, the way the quieter engines allow you to hear other sounds from the cars is a plus.
Finally, it's something of a benefit, IMO, to be able to watch them without ear protection, which is brought home to you when you see the GP2 cars at the same meetings.
Colin Kolles? Quantum Motorsport? 
It's a mess atm. Bernie says they're not going to show up but the team is saying nothing. I lack imagination to whom may be interested in buying. Marussia is definitely a more interesting prospect than Caterham and is better organised but how is F1 enticing these days?
Paul Stoddart or Ferrari doing a Toro Rosso?
It's a mess atm. Bernie says they're not going to show up but the team is saying nothing. I lack imagination to whom may be interested in buying. Marussia is definitely a more interesting prospect than Caterham and is better organised but how is F1 enticing these days?
Paul Stoddart or Ferrari doing a Toro Rosso?
ESPN said:
Mercedes' executive director Toto Wolff has revealed that talks have taken place about merging Marussia and Williams though he says they are "getting nowhere" as it would lead to the closure of Marussia.
Read more at http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/138259.ht...
But that was some time ago. It's conceivable that Ferrari could be interested. LdM is no longer around and the new management may not be keen on three car teams. Toyota is not coming back and if the Audi rumours are true then Infiniti are out.Read more at http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/138259.ht...
Don't see the Koreans being interested. What is possible is a Chinese team...
Not sure. In the same way they race as Audi Sport Team Joest they could race as Audi Sport Red Bull. Nice ring (no pun intended 
) to it.
What I can't understand is why would it be important to them unless they're meant to develop petrol engines and dump the diesel development which is what Le Mans is all about atm. They wouldn't do both championships I don't think.
Don't really know much about the internal politics at VW but I don't think they're straightforward.
) to it. What I can't understand is why would it be important to them unless they're meant to develop petrol engines and dump the diesel development which is what Le Mans is all about atm. They wouldn't do both championships I don't think.
Don't really know much about the internal politics at VW but I don't think they're straightforward.
TheInternet said:
Veteran F1 correspondent Joe Saward reported on his blog this week that Wei Di, the director of the country's Automobile and Motorcycling Administrative Centre, had said that a Chinese group was bidding to acquire an F1 team.
Interesting times...
If if Marussia fails to make it to Abu Dhabi, and Sauber fail to get the 9th place (or 3 points) they require to overtake Marussia, what happens to the championship cash? Should it go to Marussia for achieving 9th in the championship or should it, for the good of the sport, go to the next best team that's still operating (Sauber)?
hdrflow said:
- Another night street race. They have the empty hotel which can be used as an indoor chicane too! Bernie Karts Meet Super Mario.http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2014/09/23/some-com...
Joe said:
....I also bumped into Chung Yung-cho, otherwise known as Joe Chung, who was the power behind the Korean Grand Prix in Yeongam. I won’t forget the day of the first race there as Joe was battling to make sure everything went to plan, up until the very last minute. We don’t often get to see the emotion involved in being a race promoter, with all the highs and lows involved, and Joe’s face at the end of that race that day will always be remembered. He was unlucky in that the global recession hit at the wrong moment and the plan to build a city around the track, in order to develop the entire coastline area, never happened, leaving the Koreans with a racetrack without a raisin d’être in the middle of a marsh. He was thrown out and blamed for the disaster, but I never felt he was the one at fault. The bureaucrats messed things up and slowed things down so much that making the race happen cost more than the budgets allowed.
Today Joe is working on a new plan for a street race in the Seoul region. This is a better idea because the people and infrastructure are there. Joe saw Bernie Ecclestone and showed him the project and Bernie is interested as Korea is still an economic powerhouse where F1 should be. The hope is that the new race, based on the same model as Singapore, could be ready for 2016. We’ll see.
There is a bit more in there about another track opening in Korea too..Today Joe is working on a new plan for a street race in the Seoul region. This is a better idea because the people and infrastructure are there. Joe saw Bernie Ecclestone and showed him the project and Bernie is interested as Korea is still an economic powerhouse where F1 should be. The hope is that the new race, based on the same model as Singapore, could be ready for 2016. We’ll see.
Edited by Crafty_ on Sunday 26th October 19:11
ash73 said:
I can't see anyone being interested, if a team like Williams can't turn a profit lying third in the constructors, wtf?
Except arguably Williams sponsorship income will have been adversely affect by their results over the last couple of years and they have had to spend to get to 3rd. If they still make losses next year then of course one would be right to question the model.
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