**** American Grand Prix ***** (contains spoilers)

**** American Grand Prix ***** (contains spoilers)

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MartG

20,622 posts

203 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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Crafty_ said:
If the entire unit is changed the car must start from the pit lane.
Wouldn't it be funny if the entire grid changed engines and all had to start from the pitlane smile

Crafty_

13,248 posts

199 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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The FIA need to make it clear having to change the engine is not an "exceptional circumstance" thus should he not compete in qualifying he doesn't start the race.

If he runs in qualifying and doesn't get a 107% time unless they can prove the car and an issue he shouldn't be allowed to race.

All this silliness could be averted by stopping grid penalties for engine/gearbox swaps, instead take WCC points away. This would mean the team would continue as normal and would run in qualifying etc.

suffolk009

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5,344 posts

164 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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Formula 1 really doesn't make it easy for Americans to like Formula 1.

confucuis

1,303 posts

123 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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suffolk009 said:
Formula 1 really doesn't make it easy for Americans to like Formula 1.
Formula one really doesn't make it easy for anyone to like Formula 1 unfortunately!

rupert the dog

1,433 posts

216 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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confucuis said:
suffolk009 said:
Formula 1 really doesn't make it easy for Americans to like Formula 1.
Formula one really doesn't make it easy for anyone to like Formula 1 unfortunately!
What a sad situation. I've been an F1 fan since the '60's and unfortunately have to agree. And I'm staggered at the number of people who seem to think what RBR/Vettel are planning is alright.

Sport? Not any more. Fans? Who are they?

Sir Bagalot

6,463 posts

180 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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Santander, that fking st poor excuse for the biggest bunch of s that call themselves a bank, Prank Fredlaugh

Pet Troll

1,362 posts

177 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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thegreenhell said:
Pet Troll said:
Although I follow F1 I don't normally contribute to these threads so forgive me if I'm missing something but what is so bad about him potentially missing qualifying? Surely he is harming himself far more by starting at the back then gaining any advantage by having an engine with 10 less laps on it?

Also if his engine is worn enough that he can't (or won't) qualify, does that mean after 10 or so laps of the race he is expecting the engine to let go?

What is the penalty for fitting a new engine?
Vettel will have a complete new power unit fitted for the race, his sixth of five allowed in a season by the rules, so it's an automatic pitlane start whether he sets a time in Q or not. Therefore, to save mileage on the new engine why would he bother to do any laps if the starting position will be the same.

The issue with this, apart from his race being compromised before it's begun through no fault of his own, is that the fans who have paid to watch the spectacle of the world's best drivers qualifying their F1 cars will be denied the sight of the reigning and four-time world champion on track because of a stupid rule that overly penalises the driver for something beyond their reasonable control.
I see, I misunderstood the thread, I thought vettel was missing quali to save doing laps on his already tired power unit so it would be less tired for the race (it made little sense to me). But what you have said makes perfect sense!

Hub

6,413 posts

197 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Crafty_ said:
Published by the FIA at the start of every race weekend.

It should appear on this page a bit later today or maybe tomorrow:
http://www.fia.com/championship/fia-formula-1-worl...

It will be called something like "FIA Technical report No 3"

This is the one from Russia: http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/championshi...
Thanks. They're pretty much all on the limit then! Could be an interesting (not in a good way) end to the season!

Europa1

10,923 posts

187 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Pet Troll said:
Although I follow F1 I don't normally contribute to these threads so forgive me if I'm missing something but what is so bad about him potentially missing qualifying? Surely he is harming himself far more by starting at the back then gaining any advantage by having an engine with 10 less laps on it?

Also if his engine is worn enough that he can't (or won't) qualify, does that mean after 10 or so laps of the race he is expecting the engine to let go?

What is the penalty for fitting a new engine?
In this particular instance I have 2 main issues with it: the USA is a country in which F1 has struggled for years to gain a following, so (a) for the current world champion to be a no-show in qualifying and (b) on a weekend when the field is already 4 cars down seems (as is so often the case in F1) phenomenally self interested and short sighted.

charlie7777

112 posts

113 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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mullerrice18 said:
You can have two identical cars that leave the factory one after the other with one being completely fine after a year and the other being a piece of st. Is it unfair that one is st? No, its annoying. Yes all the teams have the same rules, it is unfair on all the teams. When the rules mean that you don't even bother running Q1, something is wrong. Obviously there needs to be rules to stop teams turning up with a new engine every race. 5 engines for 19 races is stupid, 7/8 so that we don't see cars not running and starting in the pit lane would be better.

A limited number of engines does put an emphasis on reliability which can relate back to road cars and have real world applications but it is effecting the sport for the worse.
I agree but affect or effect or both?

ajprice

27,317 posts

195 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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McLaren in coloured sponsor logos shocker!! hehe


VladD

7,853 posts

264 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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So Vettel will have a fresh engine a lots of new tyres. Looks like he's on for a podium then.

Ozone

3,039 posts

186 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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VladD said:
So Vettel will have a fresh engine a lots of new tyres. Looks like he's on for a podium then.
Maybe a good strategy for the last race of the season?

Crafty_

13,248 posts

199 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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I bet Ron hates that logo hehe

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

261 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Eric Mc said:
mullerrice18 said:
Ok, maybe unfair is the wrong word to use. When teams are having to retire to save engines when they are not in the points instead of racing until the very last lap, I think that it is having a negative impact on the teams, the drivers and most importantly the fans.
It's certainly unfair on the fans.
yes

thegreenhell

15,115 posts

218 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Apparently Vettel will now be running in qualifying, although for what purpose I'm not sure. From the BBC:

"We'll certainly be taking part in qualifying," said Red Bull boss Christian Horner. "But we have to be very careful with our mileage, he has to get through three race weekends with this unit."

Maybe this is just to get the 107% time?

Henry Fiddleton

1,581 posts

176 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Sounds like Bernie has put him straight..

B.E "If you want my job, Vettel runs"

furtive

4,498 posts

278 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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He'll probably just do a slow installation lap and peel into the pits at the end of it

Derek Smith

45,513 posts

247 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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thegreenhell said:
Apparently Vettel will now be running in qualifying, although for what purpose I'm not sure. From the BBC:

"We'll certainly be taking part in qualifying," said Red Bull boss Christian Horner. "But we have to be very careful with our mileage, he has to get through three race weekends with this unit."

Maybe this is just to get the 107% time?
This seems to me to make it essential for Vettel to take part in qually.


l354uge

2,892 posts

120 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Sir Bagalot said:
Santander, that fking st poor excuse for the biggest bunch of s that call themselves a bank, Prank Fredlaugh
Im cringing so hard my cheeks are nearly infront of my eyes, he must be getting paid a few bob to stand that sh**e