Brundle's recent Monaco Qualy comment
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fatboy69 said:
The Stiglet said:
StevieBee said:
There was a time when several very well respected teams and drivers would activate a hidden switch to dump oil on the track having just set a fast time.
Which teams, when and which drivers?I'm going with Ockhams razor on this one. Simplest solution is correct.
My proposed solution: MB is first and foremost a journalist and essentially salesman for sky. This is being mentioned [i]now[\i] as it's in sky's interest to plug into an undercurrent of British opinion about the 'nasty old German' to create a good guy v bad guy narrative to the final race to maximise ratings.
Why else would he only comment now rather than all season
My proposed solution: MB is first and foremost a journalist and essentially salesman for sky. This is being mentioned [i]now[\i] as it's in sky's interest to plug into an undercurrent of British opinion about the 'nasty old German' to create a good guy v bad guy narrative to the final race to maximise ratings.
Why else would he only comment now rather than all season
Vocal Minority said:
I'm going with Ockhams razor on this one. Simplest solution is correct.
My proposed solution: MB is first and foremost a journalist and essentially salesman for sky. This is being mentioned [i]now[\i] as it's in sky's interest to plug into an undercurrent of British opinion about the 'nasty old German' to create a good guy v bad guy narrative to the final race to maximise ratings.
Why else would he only comment now rather than all season
I'd love to have been a fly on the wall for this Brundle/ Damon/ Toto dinner. Sounds like it was an eye-opener for the first two.My proposed solution: MB is first and foremost a journalist and essentially salesman for sky. This is being mentioned [i]now[\i] as it's in sky's interest to plug into an undercurrent of British opinion about the 'nasty old German' to create a good guy v bad guy narrative to the final race to maximise ratings.
Why else would he only comment now rather than all season
I recall an interview with Lewis the race weekend after when he was calm.
He commented to the effect that during the Monaco weekend he gave Nico the benefit of the doubt. However afterwards when he saw the onboard, he knew exactly what Nico had done and that it was "abnormal" and so done deliberately to thwart his pole lap. He did not clarify exactly what it was.
Given Lewis is the only other person who has driven the Merc with intent he is probably better able to understand what Nico actually did than even MB but it was clearly the first step where the two stopped all cordial relationships.
After that it was downhill all the way up until the Spa incident where Nico did not liked being booed on the podium. That clearly gave the momentum back to Lewis.
He commented to the effect that during the Monaco weekend he gave Nico the benefit of the doubt. However afterwards when he saw the onboard, he knew exactly what Nico had done and that it was "abnormal" and so done deliberately to thwart his pole lap. He did not clarify exactly what it was.
Given Lewis is the only other person who has driven the Merc with intent he is probably better able to understand what Nico actually did than even MB but it was clearly the first step where the two stopped all cordial relationships.
After that it was downhill all the way up until the Spa incident where Nico did not liked being booed on the podium. That clearly gave the momentum back to Lewis.
Scuffers said:
Oil, no, water yes.
Oil, yes.One of the original Silver Arrows that was on display at Brackley following the British GP had a valve that could be used for that purpose and was, according to the engineers who were over from Germany, escorting the cars.
The official reason was to enable the jettisoning of oil to save weight, once it was felt there was an excess for the remainder of the race, but it was, according to those who probably have a bit more knowledge than we on here, used for other purposes too......
Vocal Minority said:
I'm not saying it was an innocent mistake.
However I am saying MB's renewed interest is media motivated not sport motivated
Why would you challenge brundles integrity like that?However I am saying MB's renewed interest is media motivated not sport motivated
I've always seen him as being pretty straight up. in fact pooh-poohing the deliberateness of the move for the british TV audience was pretty brave and would support this.
RichB said:
fatboy69 said:
The Stiglet said:
StevieBee said:
There was a time when several very well respected teams and drivers would activate a hidden switch to dump oil on the track having just set a fast time.
Which teams, when and which drivers?Edited to add, NR guilty as sin over Monaco btw
REALIST123 said:
Scuffers said:
Oil, no, water yes.
Oil, yes.One of the original Silver Arrows that was on display at Brackley following the British GP had a valve that could be used for that purpose and was, according to the engineers who were over from Germany, escorting the cars.
The official reason was to enable the jettisoning of oil to save weight, once it was felt there was an excess for the remainder of the race, but it was, according to those who probably have a bit more knowledge than we on here, used for other purposes too......
a) how much is considered 'excess oil' ? Where was this oil being kept in the system without affecting pressure?
b) they would have to know exactly where the oil was 'dumped' and would also need to avoid that patch the following lap/s.
Regarding the Rosberg qualy incident, I didn't think for one minute it wasn't intentional. Herbert called it immediately. It doesn't make me think any less of him...winners do everything they possibly can to win. It's almost instinctive.
hairyben said:
Vocal Minority said:
I'm not saying it was an innocent mistake.
However I am saying MB's renewed interest is media motivated not sport motivated
Why would you challenge brundles integrity like that?However I am saying MB's renewed interest is media motivated not sport motivated
I've always seen him as being pretty straight up. in fact pooh-poohing the deliberateness of the move for the british TV audience was pretty brave and would support this.
I am not saying one way or the other whether Rosberg meant to do it. I don't know. What relevance does the qualifying in Monaco have to now, a couple of points maybe, but baring mechanical failure it wont affect the championship. Arguably including it it wont as if Hamilton DNFs and Rosberg wins, he'd have won the championship ANYWAY.
Who is questioning Brundle's integrity? He is employed by Sky to promote the product as part of his job description I am sure.The Rosberg did it on purpose theory is a prevailing one in the paddock it seems. It is just my guess that it pays for Sky to create a good guy v bad guy narrative. A concept the posters of pistonheads bought into some time ago it would seem!
Edited by Vocal Minority on Saturday 22 November 20:47
Regarding the Rosberg qualy incident, I didn't think for one minute it wasn't intentional. Herbert called it immediately. It doesn't make me think any less of him...winners do everything they possibly can to win. It's almost instinctive.
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That sort of thing I find really disappointing. No respect for integrity? There have actually been several top level F1 drivers who won with honour. Jim Clark, Stirling Moss, Mika Hakkinenen, anyone?
paulguitar said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
Regarding the Rosberg qualy incident, I didn't think for one minute it wasn't intentional. Herbert called it immediately. It doesn't make me think any less of him...winners do everything they possibly can to win. It's almost instinctive.
That sort of thing I find really disappointing. No respect for integrity? There have actually been several top level F1 drivers who won with honour. Jim Clark, Stirling Moss, Mika Hakkinenen, anyone?
From the footage it looks like Rosberg's braking and sawing at the wheel slowed the car enough to take the corner, but he decoded to put it in the escape road. Then, he could have easily parked right at the end of the escape road but he chose to roll back into a dangerous position.
Guilty as charged yer 'onour and an unworthy champion if he beats Lewis today.
Guilty as charged yer 'onour and an unworthy champion if he beats Lewis today.
Vocal Minority said:
I haven't seen it. I was responding to other people's comments that in the last couple of races he has started quietly insinuating it was deliberate, which as you say is a change of tone.
I am not saying one way or the other whether Rosberg meant to do it. I don't know. What relevance does the qualifying in Monaco have to now, a couple of points maybe, but baring mechanical failure it wont affect the championship. Arguably including it it wont as if Hamilton DNFs and Rosberg wins, he'd have won the championship ANYWAY.
Who is questioning Brundle's integrity? He is employed by Sky to promote the product as part of his job description I am sure.The Rosberg did it on purpose theory is a prevailing one in the paddock it seems. It is just my guess that it pays for Sky to create a good guy v bad guy narrative. A concept the posters of pistonheads bought into some time ago it would seem!
You are insinuating he'd lie to us to fit a broadcasters editorial whim. It is very naive to think you are not challenging his integrity. If you know your history this is the Martin Brundle threatened with refusal of pit access by spanky max for vocalising his opinions on spygate.I am not saying one way or the other whether Rosberg meant to do it. I don't know. What relevance does the qualifying in Monaco have to now, a couple of points maybe, but baring mechanical failure it wont affect the championship. Arguably including it it wont as if Hamilton DNFs and Rosberg wins, he'd have won the championship ANYWAY.
Who is questioning Brundle's integrity? He is employed by Sky to promote the product as part of his job description I am sure.The Rosberg did it on purpose theory is a prevailing one in the paddock it seems. It is just my guess that it pays for Sky to create a good guy v bad guy narrative. A concept the posters of pistonheads bought into some time ago it would seem!
Edited by Vocal Minority on Saturday 22 November 20:47
As I said above, maybe I'm being too cynical about broadcasters. I didn't intend for anyone to take my comments as seriously as you seem to be!
As I said above I'm just responding to what has been said on here. Has Brundle changed his mind on the incident or is he just repeating what others have said?
As I said above I'm just responding to what has been said on here. Has Brundle changed his mind on the incident or is he just repeating what others have said?
Edited by Vocal Minority on Sunday 23 November 12:29
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