Most unworthy f1 champion?
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Setting aside the fact they beat everyone that year. Being f1 buffs we know more of the ins and outs of results in a season that led to a championship for someone where everything just clicked. History only remembers the results but what about the story getting there.
To me Kimi Raikkonen is one of the most undeserving. The year he won his championship he had massive help from his teammate to get the point that were needed to only just beat lewis and fernando.
I may be updating my opinion if in a few hours time Nico becomes champion..
To me Kimi Raikkonen is one of the most undeserving. The year he won his championship he had massive help from his teammate to get the point that were needed to only just beat lewis and fernando.
I may be updating my opinion if in a few hours time Nico becomes champion..
Nedzilla said:
Most of Schumis titles then. His team mates were never allowed to compete against him and the person in the same car is always the first person you have to beat.
Yes he would've beaten them anyway but using your Kimi logic that doesn't matter does it!
And deliberately took out Damon Hill. Yes he would've beaten them anyway but using your Kimi logic that doesn't matter does it!
el stovey said:
Nedzilla said:
Most of Schumis titles then. His team mates were never allowed to compete against him and the person in the same car is always the first person you have to beat.
Yes he would've beaten them anyway but using your Kimi logic that doesn't matter does it!
And deliberately took out Damon Hill. Yes he would've beaten them anyway but using your Kimi logic that doesn't matter does it!
unworthy = least successful, while still winning the title, Rosberg snr?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keke_Rosberg#The_shar...
only 1 win all year, but enough for the title.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keke_Rosberg#The_shar...
only 1 win all year, but enough for the title.
iandc said:
VolvoT5 said:
A better thread would be "Driver most WORTHY of winning a championship that never did". Massa would be quite high on my list as would Webber.
Stirling Moss?Most undeserving has got to be Senna 1990.
At the start of the final race Senna was in the same position that Lewis was in before today's race: in both cases, they simply had to deliberately take out their only championship rival (and themselves into the bargain) in order to be guaranteed the title.
Senna chose that option.
I've never understood why he wasn't stripped of that title.
At the start of the final race Senna was in the same position that Lewis was in before today's race: in both cases, they simply had to deliberately take out their only championship rival (and themselves into the bargain) in order to be guaranteed the title.
Senna chose that option.
I've never understood why he wasn't stripped of that title.
king life, why don't you?Tony2or4 said:
Most undeserving has got to be Senna 1990.
At the start of the final race Senna was in the same position that Lewis was in before today's race: in both cases, they simply had to deliberately take out their only championship rival (and themselves into the bargain) in order to be guaranteed the title.
Senna chose that option.
I've never understood why he wasn't stripped of that title.
I agree. Should've been banned from F1 for life as well. He single handedly dragged F1 down and Schumacher adopted his tactics to win. Shameful. At the start of the final race Senna was in the same position that Lewis was in before today's race: in both cases, they simply had to deliberately take out their only championship rival (and themselves into the bargain) in order to be guaranteed the title.
Senna chose that option.
I've never understood why he wasn't stripped of that title.
Tony2or4 said:
Most undeserving has got to be Senna 1990.
At the start of the final race Senna was in the same position that Lewis was in before today's race: in both cases, they simply had to deliberately take out their only championship rival (and themselves into the bargain) in order to be guaranteed the title.
Senna chose that option.
I've never understood why he wasn't stripped of that title.
Agree 100% At the start of the final race Senna was in the same position that Lewis was in before today's race: in both cases, they simply had to deliberately take out their only championship rival (and themselves into the bargain) in order to be guaranteed the title.
Senna chose that option.
I've never understood why he wasn't stripped of that title.
DanielSan said:
Tony2or4 said:
Most undeserving has got to be Senna 1990.
At the start of the final race Senna was in the same position that Lewis was in before today's race: in both cases, they simply had to deliberately take out their only championship rival (and themselves into the bargain) in order to be guaranteed the title.
Senna chose that option.
I've never understood why he wasn't stripped of that title.
Agree 100% At the start of the final race Senna was in the same position that Lewis was in before today's race: in both cases, they simply had to deliberately take out their only championship rival (and themselves into the bargain) in order to be guaranteed the title.
Senna chose that option.
I've never understood why he wasn't stripped of that title.
gruffalo said:
What about Prost then?
What about Prost? He turned into a corner at 30 mph and Senna dived inside hoping he'd give way. What Prost didn't do was deliberately drive his car at 150mph into a competitor with no regard to life or limb of himself, the driver of the other car or the crowd into which debris could've killed and maimed many. gruffalo said:
DanielSan said:
Tony2or4 said:
Most undeserving has got to be Senna 1990.
At the start of the final race Senna was in the same position that Lewis was in before today's race: in both cases, they simply had to deliberately take out their only championship rival (and themselves into the bargain) in order to be guaranteed the title.
Senna chose that option.
I've never understood why he wasn't stripped of that title.
Agree 100% At the start of the final race Senna was in the same position that Lewis was in before today's race: in both cases, they simply had to deliberately take out their only championship rival (and themselves into the bargain) in order to be guaranteed the title.
Senna chose that option.
I've never understood why he wasn't stripped of that title.
He said, "‘It sounds a bit nasty really doesn’t it, but it’s an important part of what makes a top athlete great – having that edge, that determination, that cold-blooded desire to win and the focus to make it happen – very different from the ‘nice guy’ on shore. When playing the game every rule has to be used to advantage."
gruffalo said:
DanielSan said:
Tony2or4 said:
Most undeserving has got to be Senna 1990.
At the start of the final race Senna was in the same position that Lewis was in before today's race: in both cases, they simply had to deliberately take out their only championship rival (and themselves into the bargain) in order to be guaranteed the title.
Senna chose that option.
I've never understood why he wasn't stripped of that title.
Agree 100% At the start of the final race Senna was in the same position that Lewis was in before today's race: in both cases, they simply had to deliberately take out their only championship rival (and themselves into the bargain) in order to be guaranteed the title.
Senna chose that option.
I've never understood why he wasn't stripped of that title.
Senna, like Schumacher (and Prost), was a hugely gifted driver who had no need to resort to agricultural tactics in order to win races and championships. The truly great do not stoop to such levels.
As for the greatest driver never to win a WDC, Gilles Villeneuve would be my pick. He's in good company, though: a world title would also have sat easily on the shoulders of Messrs. Moss and Peterson.
1989: Prost When he turned in on Senna who was clearly sufficiently up the side of him.
1994: Schumacher when he turned in on Hill who was sufficiently up the side of him.
The 1990 Senna/Prost incident is a tough one to call. Prost turned in (again) but Senna, arguably, hadn't got enough of his car up the side of Prost's.
1994: Schumacher when he turned in on Hill who was sufficiently up the side of him.
The 1990 Senna/Prost incident is a tough one to call. Prost turned in (again) but Senna, arguably, hadn't got enough of his car up the side of Prost's.
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