Most unworthy f1 champion?
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REALIST123 said:
slipstream 1985 said:
you mean the season when hammilton had no help from his teamamte and kimi let massa past for more points but lewis still won?
......by being let by, by someone else? What a utterly pointless, sad thread. Get a f
king life, why don't you?Ayahuasca said:
Not shameful, just a winning attitude. Happened in sailing - 2000 Olympics when UK's Ben Ainslie 'took out' his only rival to win gold.
He said, "‘It sounds a bit nasty really doesn’t it, but it’s an important part of what makes a top athlete great – having that edge, that determination, that cold-blooded desire to win and the focus to make it happen – very different from the ‘nice guy’ on shore. When playing the game every rule has to be used to advantage."
Ben Ainslie did not 'take out' his rival, he sailed him down the fleet using legal methods. Perhaps more similar if Ainslie had sailed into Schidt and sank his boat without repercussion.He said, "‘It sounds a bit nasty really doesn’t it, but it’s an important part of what makes a top athlete great – having that edge, that determination, that cold-blooded desire to win and the focus to make it happen – very different from the ‘nice guy’ on shore. When playing the game every rule has to be used to advantage."
A few years ago it was decided Button was the least worthy champion...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Tony2or4 said:
..Senna 1990.
At the start of the final race Senna was in the same position that Lewis was in before today's race: in both cases, they simply had to deliberately take out their only championship rival (and themselves into the bargain) in order to be guaranteed the title.
Senna chose that option.
At the start of the final race Senna was in the same position that Lewis was in before today's race: in both cases, they simply had to deliberately take out their only championship rival (and themselves into the bargain) in order to be guaranteed the title.
Senna chose that option.
MitchT said:
The 1990 Senna/Prost incident is a tough one to call. Prost turned in (again) but Senna, arguably, hadn't got enough of his car up the side of Prost's.
My point about the 1990 Senna incident was that it was premeditated: between qually & race he'd considered the possible scenarios for the race start & decided that, should Prost be ahead into turn 1, then he would deliberately take him out.Tony2or4 said:
My point about the 1990 Senna incident was that it was premeditated: between qually & race he'd considered the possible scenarios for the race start & decided that, should Prost be ahead into turn 1, then he would deliberately take him out.
Indeed, I remember Senna saying before the race that this is what he'd do. He was pissed that pole was on the 'dirty' side and said he'd simply drive flat out toward and into the first corner and whatever happened, would happen. What is a grey area, to me at least, is whether Senna took Prost out or whether Prost took himself out by shutting the door on the front of a car that was overlapping the rear of his. That said, had I been Senna I'd have got out of the throttle. While a collision is an easy way to secure the WDC if you're ahead on points, doing so at 150mph would have been a collision too far for me and probably is indicative of Senna's uncompromising character.I think it's difficult to say that any of them are unworthy. There's only 32 of them, so it's an exclusive club. You don't get in there by chance.
Unworthy race winners would be a more interesting question. Remember when Maldonado won? That was a strange day. It feels like a weird dream.
Unworthy race winners would be a more interesting question. Remember when Maldonado won? That was a strange day. It feels like a weird dream.
NewMetalSystem said:
I think it's difficult to say that any of them are unworthy. There's only 32 of them, so it's an exclusive club. You don't get in there by chance.
Unworthy race winners would be a more interesting question. Remember when Maldonado won? That was a strange day. It feels like a weird dream.
well they hit the right setup and he won that fair&square, and there is less chance to crash into another car when you lead the race...now just imagine him in mercedes car this year alongside Nico or LH, if any of those had more mechanical problems than him he would be well in shout for the championship, now that's a weird dreamUnworthy race winners would be a more interesting question. Remember when Maldonado won? That was a strange day. It feels like a weird dream.
MitchT said:
Indeed, I remember Senna saying before the race that this is what he'd do. He was pissed that pole was on the 'dirty' side and said he'd simply drive flat out toward and into the first corner and whatever happened, would happen. What is a grey area, to me at least, is whether Senna took Prost out or whether Prost took himself out by shutting the door on the front of a car that was overlapping the rear of his. That said, had I been Senna I'd have got out of the throttle. While a collision is an easy way to secure the WDC if you're ahead on points, doing so at 150mph would have been a collision too far for me and probably is indicative of Senna's uncompromising character.
I was just reading up on the 1990 crash. I had a crumb of comfort for Senna up to the point where I learned the pole had always been on what was understood to be the 'dirty' side of the track. That it was moved and that decision over ruled by his best mate Balestre seems irrelevant now. I wonder what would have happened yesterday had Rosbergs start been a little less crappy....?
marshall100 said:
I was just reading up on the 1990 crash. I had a crumb of comfort for Senna up to the point where I learned the pole had always been on what was understood to be the 'dirty' side of the track. That it was moved and that decision over ruled by his best mate Balestre seems irrelevant now.
I wonder what would have happened yesterday had Rosbergs start been a little less crappy....?
I'm not sure it was ever moved. I seem to recall reading that the grid markings had been repainted ready for the race on the Wednesday before the race and they weren't going to move anything at the race meeting itself, indeed such decisions have to be made elsewhere by other people.I wonder what would have happened yesterday had Rosbergs start been a little less crappy....?
Re yesterday, had Nicos's start been a little less crappy he would have still broken down and LH would still be champion with 11 wins against 5.
For me, it has to be Vettel. Whilst every champion makes the most of what they have to work with - and I wouldn't take that particular point away from him - he had an amazingly well designed car that he drove better than his increasingly mediocre teammate could. I've not seen a champion get shown the door in this way, what Ricciardo has done has completely shown him up.
marshall100 said:
Wasn't it said beforehand that that side of the circuit had seen some decent starts in the GP2 race? was it deliberate?
On the Sky coverage Herbert said that the track on Lewis' side grid was noticeably warmer than Rosbergs, cause it had been in direct sunlight. But look at the cars behind at the start, it didn't make that much of a difference!NewMetalSystem said:
I think it's difficult to say that any of them are unworthy. There's only 32 of them, so it's an exclusive club. You don't get in there by chance.
Unworthy race winners would be a more interesting question. Remember when Maldonado won? That was a strange day. It feels like a weird dream.
1975 Austria - Vittorio Brambilla .... crashed as he crossed the line to take the flag - not even Maldonado managed that!Unworthy race winners would be a more interesting question. Remember when Maldonado won? That was a strange day. It feels like a weird dream.
It was a funny end to a (even by those days' standards) grim weekend
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