Marussia Manor auction

Marussia Manor auction

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the other me

613 posts

152 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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In spite of all of the above, I hope they (and Caterham ) make it to Melbourne. I would also like Bernie to be so embarrassed that he feels obliged to enter into meaningful discussions vis a vis apportioning money. . . but that could be a dream, and anyhow the Bernster says he agrees, but it is up to the teams themselves . . .but then again, who knows what to believe, or not.

DanielSan

18,745 posts

166 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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Given Haas have bought the factory and everything is being sold off, I wouldn't hold your breath or place any money on Marussia/Manor ever being on the F1 grid again.

Megaflow

9,345 posts

224 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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I reckon it is an elaborate stunt by the administrators to get their hands on the prize money for last year. Send a Skelton team and a couple of cars to the first race, collect the cash, then claim the sale fell through.

poppopbangbang

1,785 posts

140 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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DanielSan said:
Given Haas have bought the factory and everything is being sold off, I wouldn't hold your breath or place any money on Marussia/Manor ever being on the F1 grid again.
The guys behind Manor still own the original Manor facility which the GP3 team was run from. It's a pretty decent place and more than enough to run an F1 car from, albeit with little capacity for dev work.

As unlikely as it is it's still possible if not probable.

marshall100

1,124 posts

200 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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n3il123 said:
Considering there were pictures of the cars apparently sitting in the workshops with some of the other gear in the auction catalogue.
Remind me, where is Ferrari World? I'll bet there's not a hope in hell of getting those cars out of Abu Dhabi unless the bill with Ferrari is paid.

Megaflow

9,345 posts

224 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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Rumours circulating on Twitter that Gene Hass has hired the staff and will run the 14 cars in 15 before a full entry in 16.

That makes some sense, and about the only way I can see them making a 'comeback'.

rallycross

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12,744 posts

236 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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Megaflow said:
Rumours circulating on Twitter that Gene Hass has hired the staff and will run the 14 cars in 15 before a full entry in 16.

That makes some sense, and about the only way I can see them making a 'comeback'.
It makes sense run the team under Manor racing for a year take as much learning as they can for a HAAS branded team in 2016.

He already has a contract with Ferrari for engines for next year so wont be too difficult to get a years supply for this transition year.
If Max Chilton's cheque book is still fully functioning we might have an extra Brit on the grid this year.


Edited by rallycross on Tuesday 20th January 13:53

Redlake27

2,255 posts

243 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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The Haas link is the only way I can see Ferrari playing ball...

I believe Manor/Marussia's Ferrari deal was linked to Bianchi. I wonder if the Ferrari debt only became an issue after the accident. It would be sad if the contract for discounted engines was conditional on a Ferrari backed driver being in the car and Marussia's insurance or contract didn't cover the actual scenario.

Chrisgr31

13,440 posts

254 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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Megaflow said:
Rumours circulating on Twitter that Gene Hass has hired the staff and will run the 14 cars in 15 before a full entry in 16.

That makes some sense, and about the only way I can see them making a 'comeback'.
It does make sense but begs the question what happens at the end of the year.

Presumably if Hass takes on the Marussia tem for the 2015 season he gets their historic participation money, this would then follow on in to 2016. Therefore he wouldn't want to create a new team in 2016, but just change the name of the existing team? But would the other participants allow this?

Munter

31,319 posts

240 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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Chrisgr31 said:
It does make sense but begs the question what happens at the end of the year.

Presumably if Hass takes on the Marussia tem for the 2015 season he gets their historic participation money, this would then follow on in to 2016. Therefore he wouldn't want to create a new team in 2016, but just change the name of the existing team? But would the other participants allow this?
Then you get into "what defines a team?".

It's name? It's location? The people? A bit of paper?

I suspect it's the last. And after a season playing with the "rump" of Marussia, location and people may change significantly, but technically it'll be the same team.

Crafty_

13,248 posts

199 months

Thursday 22nd January 2015
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Haas have bought the factory it would seem http://www.crash.net/f1/news/213071/1/haas-f1-team...

Maybe good news for those left out of a job if they start hiring.

lbc

3,212 posts

216 months

Thursday 22nd January 2015
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Crafty_ said:
Haas have bought the factory it would seem http://www.crash.net/f1/news/213071/1/haas-f1-team...

Maybe good news for those left out of a job if they start hiring.
That's old news as was reported in December.

It's still unknown who is going to be the new owner of Marussia F1 team, as Bernie says it's not Haas, as reported by ESPN F1.

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/motorsport/story/189265.h...





hoegaardenruls

1,218 posts

131 months

Friday 23rd January 2015
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Sky Sports had been speculating that Ferrari are involved.

That may be a bit of a stretch, but given they are the largest creditor, previous connections,and that Red Bull already run a junior team (Toro Rosso), you can see where they are coming from and it wouldn't be too much of a surprise.

andburg

7,213 posts

168 months

Friday 23rd January 2015
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hoegaardenruls said:
Sky Sports had been speculating that Ferrari are involved.

That may be a bit of a stretch, but given they are the largest creditor, previous connections,and that Red Bull already run a junior team (Toro Rosso), you can see where they are coming from and it wouldn't be too much of a surprise.
I'd say its pure speculation...Ferrari are heavily involved with Haas by all reports so I don't know why they'd really be interested in running their own junior team.


andyps

7,817 posts

281 months

Friday 23rd January 2015
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Maybe it would work out more advantageous than running a three car team?

Chrisgr31

13,440 posts

254 months

Friday 23rd January 2015
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andburg said:
hoegaardenruls said:
Sky Sports had been speculating that Ferrari are involved.

That may be a bit of a stretch, but given they are the largest creditor, previous connections,and that Red Bull already run a junior team (Toro Rosso), you can see where they are coming from and it wouldn't be too much of a surprise.
I'd say its pure speculation...Ferrari are heavily involved with Haas by all reports so I don't know why they'd really be interested in running their own junior team.
Except they are the largest creditor, they pay off the smaller creditors with a small sum of money Ferrari as the owner of Marussia team get the Marussia appearance money and the team performs on a shoestring. Are Ferrari then better off?

DanielSan

18,745 posts

166 months

Friday 23rd January 2015
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Chrisgr31 said:
Except they are the largest creditor, they pay off the smaller creditors with a small sum of money Ferrari as the owner of Marussia team get the Marussia appearance money and the team performs on a shoestring. Are Ferrari then better off?
Well they have 4 cars that are in with fk all chance of winning anything so surely they're twice as worse off? biggrin

jamiebae

6,245 posts

210 months

Friday 23rd January 2015
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andburg said:
hoegaardenruls said:
Sky Sports had been speculating that Ferrari are involved.

That may be a bit of a stretch, but given they are the largest creditor, previous connections,and that Red Bull already run a junior team (Toro Rosso), you can see where they are coming from and it wouldn't be too much of a surprise.
I'd say its pure speculation...Ferrari are heavily involved with Haas by all reports so I don't know why they'd really be interested in running their own junior team.
Sauber used to effectively be Ferrari's junior team, then Marussia took over that role running Bianchi so Ferrari now have a bit of an issue with getting their junior drivers ready for an F1 seat. Red Bull have shown how well a junior programme can develop top line drivers and that won't have gone un-noticed, but for Ferrari they need to place their drivers in teams which run their engines.

Haas won't be prepared to play second fiddle after all the hype around his 'American' team so wouldn't take a Torro Rosso style role and Sauber are tied up with pay drivers now so they aren't an option either.

Having said all that though, I think Ferrari have announced all their junior programme seats for 2015 now, so unless they're going to run Gutierrez and Vergne it's probably unlikely. There was that Canadian guy wanting a seat for his son though, so maybe that's possible with him alongside GUT?

Crafty_

13,248 posts

199 months

Friday 23rd January 2015
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I think the Ferrari link comes around because of Haas buying major components from them.

Megaflow

9,345 posts

224 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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hoegaardenruls said:
Sky Sports had been speculating that Ferrari are involved.

That may be a bit of a stretch, but given they are the largest creditor, previous connections,and that Red Bull already run a junior team (Toro Rosso), you can see where they are coming from and it wouldn't be too much of a surprise.
If I understand correctly, Ferrari are the biggest creditor. So if Ferrari are involved, I suspect they are involved to get the prize money paid out to get some of their money back.