Marussia Manor auction
Discussion
DanielSan said:
The problem is whoever buys the team will be even more uncompetitive than last yea, so even less likely to be getting even a single point and making no prize money next year.
If it's Hass then the experience of running the team will be useful to get all the little things right for their first real year. That and the cash from last years points.DanielSan said:
The problem is whoever buys the team will be even more uncompetitive than last yea, so even less likely to be getting even a single point and making no prize money next year.
If I understand the rules correctly, it they turn up in Australia they get the money from finishing 9th last year.Munter said:
DanielSan said:
The problem is whoever buys the team will be even more uncompetitive than last yea, so even less likely to be getting even a single point and making no prize money next year.
If it's Hass then the experience of running the team will be useful to get all the little things right for their first real year. That and the cash from last years points.It's the cash..........
Whoever it is, it's hardly going to be an entry that gives F1 back some of the credit it's lacking, a team with year old cars, no chance of development and running 7-8 seconds off the pace. Hardly a spectacle that brings any excitement, just a shambolic attempt by Ferrari to get back a few quid that they're owed before they drop the team again.
I may sound negative and sceptical at best, but how will it possibly be anything other than a complete shambles given that we're in February nearly and nothing is confirmed yet.
I may sound negative and sceptical at best, but how will it possibly be anything other than a complete shambles given that we're in February nearly and nothing is confirmed yet.
17 million I think was the number. Yes it's understandable they want the money, but their prize money alone more than covers that, along with all the branded tat they sell. This is the team that gets special pay outs because F1 'needs' them there, and they try and cheapen the sport with this stunt. No wonder they're such a difficult team to like.
DanielSan said:
Whoever it is, it's hardly going to be an entry that gives F1 back some of the credit it's lacking, a team with year old cars, no chance of development and running 7-8 seconds off the pace. Hardly a spectacle that brings any excitement, just a shambolic attempt by Ferrari to get back a few quid that they're owed before they drop the team again.
I may sound negative and sceptical at best, but how will it possibly be anything other than a complete shambles given that we're in February nearly and nothing is confirmed yet.
There is an exception to every rule, after all didn't Toro Rosso win over the 'senior' team on one occasion with a fairly talented driver. If the buyer were to be Ferrari, it would be fairly reasonable to expect a junior team would be running basically the same chassis/engine combination - the development work will have been done after all..I may sound negative and sceptical at best, but how will it possibly be anything other than a complete shambles given that we're in February nearly and nothing is confirmed yet.
hoegaardenruls said:
If the buyer were to be Ferrari, it would be fairly reasonable to expect a junior team would be running basically the same chassis/engine combination - the development work will have been done after all..
they would have the support and aid of Ferrari but couldn't use a Ferrari Chassis as that could be ruled a customer car so they need to develop their own.b0rk said:
How much technology could be transferred before it would be deemed to be a customer car?
Power unit, and possibly electronics I think. Chassis and aero can't be shared, things like brakes and suspension are made by other companies anyway and the ECU's are spec parts made my Mclaren.DanielSan said:
Power unit, and possibly electronics I think. Chassis and aero can't be shared, things like brakes and suspension are made by other companies anyway and the ECU's are spec parts made my Mclaren.
You can legally sub-contract the design of chassis and aero components I recall and also manufacture of the same. Any restrictions on who this is sub-contracted too? Could Manor mark2 contract Ferrari to design the chassis and manufacture the components, assembly by manor obviously 
The design and manufacture of the entire chassis, body and aerodynamics may be outsourced to a third party, but that third party may not be a competitor team or any company or person that provides a similar service to another competitor team. This means that Marussia could not use a Ferrari chassis, or a chassis designed by Ferrari even if it was different from that raced by the Scuderia. Similarly, if one team was using a chassis made for them by, for example Dallara, then a second team could not use Dallara as a chassis subcontractor.
'Buy bits back'? As in, they're in trouble already this season, or am I reading too much into that?
Clearly they are far from competitive, not turning a wheel in Oz and miles behind everyone last time out. It's such a shame, because I thought they were actually getting somewhere eventually last season, as opposed to Caterham, that were at best, standing still.
Clearly they are far from competitive, not turning a wheel in Oz and miles behind everyone last time out. It's such a shame, because I thought they were actually getting somewhere eventually last season, as opposed to Caterham, that were at best, standing still.
To be fair, given that the last GP was for them the equivalent of the first test session for the other teams, they didn't do too badly.
John Booth has been reported as saying that they can now start developing the car after completing some mileage at the last GP, though as yet there is no date for the introduction of their proper 2015 car
John Booth has been reported as saying that they can now start developing the car after completing some mileage at the last GP, though as yet there is no date for the introduction of their proper 2015 car
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