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What I find interesting is Ron is already having to massage Alonso's ego by attempting to re-write the 2007 story.
"“If you go on the ‘who struck the first blow’ route, actually I would say that Lewis had his role to play in starting this process which escalated.”"
The question is why is Ron still living in the past? Lewis has certainly moved on. The obvious answer is this Alonso - Mclaren marriage is not made in heaven.
"“If you go on the ‘who struck the first blow’ route, actually I would say that Lewis had his role to play in starting this process which escalated.”"
The question is why is Ron still living in the past? Lewis has certainly moved on. The obvious answer is this Alonso - Mclaren marriage is not made in heaven.
"He has no reason now not to get the job done, no reason,” said Dennis. “I make no apologies for having the level of consideration that I gave ultimately to the decision.
“I spent the weekend thinking about solutions as opposed to problems. I gave Jenson some ideas on solutions, and he just said ‘no problem’, and that was it. Then it was very easy.
“It re-energised my belief that Jenson really wants to be in a Formula One car, and that he can kick Fernando’s butt.”
“I spent the weekend thinking about solutions as opposed to problems. I gave Jenson some ideas on solutions, and he just said ‘no problem’, and that was it. Then it was very easy.
“It re-energised my belief that Jenson really wants to be in a Formula One car, and that he can kick Fernando’s butt.”
This coming from someone who has never been a McLaren supporter:
Let's be happy for McLaren, Ron Dennis (who was maulaed by F1 politics for too long), Alonso, Button and Honda. They've hopefully learnt from the past errors, and if they get it right next year together with Honda I think we are going to see McL perform as we knew them 15 years ago.
I think if there is one outfit to challenge Merc in the near future it is McL.
Let's be happy for McLaren, Ron Dennis (who was maulaed by F1 politics for too long), Alonso, Button and Honda. They've hopefully learnt from the past errors, and if they get it right next year together with Honda I think we are going to see McL perform as we knew them 15 years ago.
I think if there is one outfit to challenge Merc in the near future it is McL.
VolvoT5 said:
What I find interesting is Ron is already having to massage Alonso's ego by attempting to re-write the 2007 story.
"“If you go on the ‘who struck the first blow’ route, actually I would say that Lewis had his role to play in starting this process which escalated.”"
The question is why is Ron still living in the past? Lewis has certainly moved on. The obvious answer is this Alonso - Mclaren marriage is not made in heaven.
Again, did you not watch Hungary 2007, Lewis made the first move by not allowing Alonso through as pre arranged to set a time, Alonso retaliated with the extended pit stop and the whole sorry saga started from there."“If you go on the ‘who struck the first blow’ route, actually I would say that Lewis had his role to play in starting this process which escalated.”"
The question is why is Ron still living in the past? Lewis has certainly moved on. The obvious answer is this Alonso - Mclaren marriage is not made in heaven.
S0 What said:
VolvoT5 said:
What I find interesting is Ron is already having to massage Alonso's ego by attempting to re-write the 2007 story.
"“If you go on the ‘who struck the first blow’ route, actually I would say that Lewis had his role to play in starting this process which escalated.”"
The question is why is Ron still living in the past? Lewis has certainly moved on. The obvious answer is this Alonso - Mclaren marriage is not made in heaven.
Again, did you not watch Hungary 2007, Lewis made the first move by not allowing Alonso through as pre arranged to set a time, Alonso retaliated with the extended pit stop and the whole sorry saga started from there."“If you go on the ‘who struck the first blow’ route, actually I would say that Lewis had his role to play in starting this process which escalated.”"
The question is why is Ron still living in the past? Lewis has certainly moved on. The obvious answer is this Alonso - Mclaren marriage is not made in heaven.
S0 What said:
VolvoT5 said:
What I find interesting is Ron is already having to massage Alonso's ego by attempting to re-write the 2007 story.
"“If you go on the ‘who struck the first blow’ route, actually I would say that Lewis had his role to play in starting this process which escalated.”"
The question is why is Ron still living in the past? Lewis has certainly moved on. The obvious answer is this Alonso - Mclaren marriage is not made in heaven.
Again, did you not watch Hungary 2007, Lewis made the first move by not allowing Alonso through as pre arranged to set a time, Alonso retaliated with the extended pit stop and the whole sorry saga started from there."“If you go on the ‘who struck the first blow’ route, actually I would say that Lewis had his role to play in starting this process which escalated.”"
The question is why is Ron still living in the past? Lewis has certainly moved on. The obvious answer is this Alonso - Mclaren marriage is not made in heaven.
sandman77 said:
DanielSan said:
Don't know that analysis works tbh? Button outqualified him more times..........
No, Magnussen outqualified Button 10-9.Although in all the races where both drivers finished Button won 14-3.
However, Magnussen started ahead on the grid 10-9 since Button had a 5-place penalty for a gearbox change in Austin which dropped him behind Magnussen.
hora said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
OK so maybe that's what Ron meant by Lewis being immature. But don't you think the 2 x WDC should have acted more maturely and lead by example at every other point in 2007?
Didn't Teflon* Mr Alonso also stiff Mclaren in Spygate? *he had no idea about Renaultcrashgate either...
S0 What said:
VolvoT5 said:
What I find interesting is Ron is already having to massage Alonso's ego by attempting to re-write the 2007 story.
"“If you go on the ‘who struck the first blow’ route, actually I would say that Lewis had his role to play in starting this process which escalated.”"
The question is why is Ron still living in the past? Lewis has certainly moved on. The obvious answer is this Alonso - Mclaren marriage is not made in heaven.
Again, did you not watch Hungary 2007, Lewis made the first move by not allowing Alonso through as pre arranged to set a time, Alonso retaliated with the extended pit stop and the whole sorry saga started from there."“If you go on the ‘who struck the first blow’ route, actually I would say that Lewis had his role to play in starting this process which escalated.”"
The question is why is Ron still living in the past? Lewis has certainly moved on. The obvious answer is this Alonso - Mclaren marriage is not made in heaven.
carinaman said:
Very interesting, and, as a Button fan I hope it's truecarinaman said:
Interesting that he mentions in that article that "He’s had the experience of being alongside Lewis Hamilton for three years and actually out-scored him over that time."I'm surprised that fact hasn't been mentioned yet... in this thread.
DanielSan said:
Was the comparison for 3 years with the current WDC not enough to show how good he really is?
He also thoroughly beat the other ex-WDC teammate he had when he joined BAR in 2003. I guess the fact that the other ex-WDC in question has multiple mentions in the 'Most unworthy F1 champion' thread somewhat devalues that comparison. 
Now that the dust has settled over McL's driver line-up for next year (and 2016!) I'm really wondering about the car and how well suited it will be to Button (or the other driver), e.g.: as widely reported this year's Ferrari was developed around FA which people believe gave him an extra edge over Kimi, and the same happens in teams as they develop the car for the next year.
With all of the driver speculation what has McL being doing regarding next year's car? By that, I mean what route have they pursued in terms of developing the car with a certain target in mind (i.e.: to suit JB, other)? Not having FA there to guide them to date, and bearing in mind work would have started on the car months ago, does this mean it is likely to be designed more to JB's or Kevin's driving style? One wonders. Let's hope it's more to JB's liking
With all of the driver speculation what has McL being doing regarding next year's car? By that, I mean what route have they pursued in terms of developing the car with a certain target in mind (i.e.: to suit JB, other)? Not having FA there to guide them to date, and bearing in mind work would have started on the car months ago, does this mean it is likely to be designed more to JB's or Kevin's driving style? One wonders. Let's hope it's more to JB's liking
Likes Fast Cars said:
Now that the dust has settled over McL's driver line-up for next year (and 2016!) I'm really wondering about the car and how well suited it will be to Button (or the other driver), e.g.: as widely reported this year's Ferrari was developed around FA which people believe gave him an extra edge over Kimi, and the same happens in teams as they develop the car for the next year.
With all of the driver speculation what has McL being doing regarding next year's car? By that, I mean what route have they pursued in terms of developing the car with a certain target in mind (i.e.: to suit JB, other)? Not having FA there to guide them to date, and bearing in mind work would have started on the car months ago, does this mean it is likely to be designed more to JB's or Kevin's driving style? One wonders. Let's hope it's more to JB's liking
Given that Alonso was signed months ago and is McLaren's star driver I suspect if the car was developed to suit one driver the answer is obvious.With all of the driver speculation what has McL being doing regarding next year's car? By that, I mean what route have they pursued in terms of developing the car with a certain target in mind (i.e.: to suit JB, other)? Not having FA there to guide them to date, and bearing in mind work would have started on the car months ago, does this mean it is likely to be designed more to JB's or Kevin's driving style? One wonders. Let's hope it's more to JB's liking
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