Button v Alonso
Discussion
carinaman said:
I wonder if Jenson, given his age and life experience will get some tutoring from someone like Rob Wilson so he can feel more at home and confident when the car isn't exactly to his liking?
I'd like to see someone ask Ron Dennis whether Alonso has clear number 1 status? Would the sponsors that Alonso brings be able to stipulate that?
I read somewhere in tall of these press releases and statements that Ron is actually quoted as saying (words tot eh effect of) "two equal drivers" - now that can be interpreted a few ways, but it could be a clear message to all that there is (still) no #1 at McL.I'd like to see someone ask Ron Dennis whether Alonso has clear number 1 status? Would the sponsors that Alonso brings be able to stipulate that?
I don't recall sponsors ever having stipulated driver status for a top team (although I could very well be wrong!).
Excuse me if I'm being a bit thick here, but.....
Wouldn't the aim of every team be to produce a beautifully balanced car? Surely that's the quickest car around a circuit all other things being equal?
Then, IF that's not the outcome, the imbalances, as such, will play into the hands of the driver who can deal with those failings the best.
Wouldn't the aim of every team be to produce a beautifully balanced car? Surely that's the quickest car around a circuit all other things being equal?
Then, IF that's not the outcome, the imbalances, as such, will play into the hands of the driver who can deal with those failings the best.
garyhun said:
Excuse me if I'm being a bit thick here, but.....
Wouldn't the aim of every team be to produce a beautifully balanced car? Surely that's the quickest car around a circuit all other things being equal?
Then, IF that's not the outcome, the imbalances, as such, will play into the hands of the driver who can deal with those failings the best.
That would be the aim and in a perfect world that would indeed be true, but several factors work against this, for example the circuits have different characteristics and then there are tyres, weather conditions, etc., which all play their part in effecting the car's behaviour, then factor in the drivers' styles of driving and God knows what else and it becomes far more complex. (too much for this mind to take in, especially on an out of season Sunday morning!).Wouldn't the aim of every team be to produce a beautifully balanced car? Surely that's the quickest car around a circuit all other things being equal?
Then, IF that's not the outcome, the imbalances, as such, will play into the hands of the driver who can deal with those failings the best.
This is where the driver's ability comes to the fore, as in how adaptable they are and as you say, plays into the hands of the ones who can deal with these imbalances / variables / strategy.
As I understand it teams usually try to optimise the car's design philosophy around their drivers (or, in some cases, stronger / preferred driver). This was apparently the case with last year's Merc as it apparently favoured Schumi (& Nico? cannot recall what I have read / been told) more so than Lewis.
There are a lot more PH'ers with far more knowledge who can no doubt shed far more insight onto this and tell me I'm talking completely b
s.I still think that alonso is a dubious signing. Unless they are winning racs next year he will off to a mercedes powered seat one way or another either through performance clauses or throwing a sulk. He is running out of years so I can't blame him but then Mclaren shouldn't be throwing him £25m
RichB said:
thought I read that Button had also signed a 2 year contract.
Could it be that it's a 2-way option? Macca has the option to not exercise year #2 with JB if Button doesn't achieve certain results, and JB has the option to go (with compensation) if the car / team fail to achieve the agreed results / working environment?Did I understand correctly that the last couple of seasons JB had a 1 +1 year (option for the second 1 year) contract at McL? Or was it a straight out 2-year deal?
Dream season would be for the Maccas to start off midfield and gradually work their way to the front through brilliant car development (which used to be a given at McLaren) and epic driving (both are capable), with the championship finale coming down to 4 drivers on the last day and JB/FA victory (happy for either to win).
However, will probs be a repeat of this year, but we live in hope.
However, will probs be a repeat of this year, but we live in hope.
deadslow said:
Dream season would be for the Maccas to start off midfield and gradually work their way to the front through brilliant car development (which used to be a given at McLaren) and epic driving (both are capable), with the championship finale coming down to 4 drivers on the last day and JB/FA victory (happy for either to win).
However, will probs be a repeat of this year, but we live in hope.
this would be nice However, will probs be a repeat of this year, but we live in hope.
Maybe I'm reading too much into it but rons recent somewhat schoolchildish comments- sniping at hamilton over '07, the "order of magnitude" statement widely regarded as snipey too, suggest to me he's in a weak place mentally. Just as he's employed fred mcbackstabby alonso who he didn't have the balls to keep reigned in last time he tried. Can't see this one going well chaps.
andy355 said:
I still think that alonso is a dubious signing. Unless they are winning racs next year he will off to a mercedes powered seat one way or another either through performance clauses or throwing a sulk. He is running out of years so I can't blame him but then Mclaren shouldn't be throwing him £25m
I agree. I can understand the attraction of Alonso, especially after his relative perforamnce this year, but is he really fully committed to McLaren? I can't help but think if Lewis or Nico leave Merc at the end of 2015 Alonso will be straight on the phone to Toto. In fact part of me thinks the reason it has taken so long for McLaren to announce Alonso is that he has been delaying signing in the hope Nico would win the WDC and Lewis would throw his toys out the pram and leave this season. Also with Ron's slightly b
hy comments about Lewis - I can't help but wonder if Lewis turned Ron down at some point this year. I actually think Alonso may have missed his chance to win another championship now. It appears Merc will dominate for the next 2 years or so and McLaren-Honda will take time to get going at the top level.... Fernando ain't getting any younger.
Edited by VolvoT5 on Sunday 14th December 13:44
VolvoT5 said:
...I can't help but think if Lewis or Nico leave Merc at the end of 2015 Alonso will be straight on the phone to Toto. <clip> It appears Merc will dominate for the next 2 years or so and McLaren-Honda will take time to get going at the top level.... Fernando ain't getting any younger.
The dichotomy being that with Mercedes being dominant I cannot think of any reason why Hamilton or Rosberg will leave so Alonso will be stuck at McLaren. RichB said:
VolvoT5 said:
...I can't help but think if Lewis or Nico leave Merc at the end of 2015 Alonso will be straight on the phone to Toto. <clip> It appears Merc will dominate for the next 2 years or so and McLaren-Honda will take time to get going at the top level.... Fernando ain't getting any younger.
The dichotomy being that with Mercedes being dominant I cannot think of any reason why Hamilton or Rosberg will leave so Alonso will be stuck at McLaren. NRS said:
RichB said:
VolvoT5 said:
...I can't help but think if Lewis or Nico leave Merc at the end of 2015 Alonso will be straight on the phone to Toto. <clip> It appears Merc will dominate for the next 2 years or so and McLaren-Honda will take time to get going at the top level.... Fernando ain't getting any younger.
The dichotomy being that with Mercedes being dominant I cannot think of any reason why Hamilton or Rosberg will leave so Alonso will be stuck at McLaren. Likes Fast Cars said:
Can't wait for 2015 to arrive and for the action to start!
I'm of a similar tilt. I did not follow this past years races, as Merc had such a huge advantage, making things too predictable. Plus of course too many knuckle dragging LH fanboys pissing into what still could have been decent (if predictable) bathwater. 2015 will simply be worth watching to see how McLaren pans out. I feel the two drivers will be pretty even, but hopefully Mc will have a car the equal of anyone.
TheInternet said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
Can't wait for 2015 to arrive and for the action to start!
Just to be clear, by '2015' you mean 'mid-season 2015', and by 'action' you mean 'driver/team rumours', yes?
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