****Winter Testing #1 Jerez****
Discussion
Scuffers said:
to put this in context, Merc have so far done 500 laps this test, Mclaren 79.
Mclaren at best are almost 7 seconds off the pace.
who do you think has learned the most?
Actually I'd suspect that McLaren have learnt the most! They had a torrid time on day 1 and day 2 and made a decent leap from there on day 3. I'm not saying it's good and I'm sure they'd rather be pounding round, but at the moment they've come from 'nowhere'. The Jerez track and surface isn't going to yield that much information for most teams, well certainly in terms of tyre wear, but of course running and comparative running is always good to see and gauge where you are from where you were and also against your rivals.Mclaren at best are almost 7 seconds off the pace.
who do you think has learned the most?
I bet they've both learned a lot. Just about different things.
If you want to look at what a proper cock-up is, look no further than Renault who couldn't be arsed to re-run their simulations on the water pump they'd altered because it looked like a simple shaft would be fine....
If you want to look at what a proper cock-up is, look no further than Renault who couldn't be arsed to re-run their simulations on the water pump they'd altered because it looked like a simple shaft would be fine....
Edited by PhillipM on Wednesday 4th February 15:46
McClure said:
Just heard about Hamilton. Well that's his head & thus season f
ked then. I'm off to put a few quid on Rosberg taking the title.
Don’t worry, Lewis & Nicole split up every year. It's normal.ked then. I'm off to put a few quid on Rosberg taking the title. He'll head off to Bond St and buy her another big rock next week. I’m sure they will have kissed and made up for the umpteenth time before Melbourne
Scuffers said:
BritishRacinGrin said:
Honda have not had 'two years' to develop and test their engine.
really?first floated back in 2011, formally announced in 2013, or are you suggesting they sat on their hands for another year before they started work?
BritishRacinGrin said:
They aren't even 'engines', this is a popular misnomer. They're 'power units', and there's much much more to them than just an engine.
I think we all know that, yes, we should be taking powertrains not engines.BritishRacinGrin said:
All the test bed development in the world will not guarantee that it's all going to work in the real world.
yes, no question, however, when you read about the issues they are having, it really is stuff they should have sorted well before turning up here.You really won't know when every thing is hooked up: the cooling, packaging, plumbing.
Last year RBR whipped out their axle grinders because the tight bodywork and packaging gave insufficient cooling.
McLaren have problems. Give 'em a chance to fix it. We've got a month to go.
Level of criticism is OTT. Last year RBR turned up at Melbourne not knowing how the weekend would pan out given that their testing looked disastrous. McLaren aren't quite their yet, are they? We won't know till testing finishes in March.
RobGT81 said:
Is that for real or am I inline for a whoosh parrot?
I can't imagine there's a dipstick, dipstick. There's probably an array of different sensors monitoring oil level, pressure etc and if one of these goes AWOL and Honda McLaren spot it, they're going to garage the car until it's sorted.entropy said:
Dyno/test best gives you limited feedback.
You really won't know when every thing is hooked up: the cooling, packaging, plumbing.
Last year RBR whipped out their axle grinders because the tight bodywork and packaging gave insufficient cooling.
Not suggesting they are in as big a mess as renault last year, that was a total screwup.You really won't know when every thing is hooked up: the cooling, packaging, plumbing.
Last year RBR whipped out their axle grinders because the tight bodywork and packaging gave insufficient cooling.
Also, last years cooling issues for RBR are stuff you're going to have to work on at a track, but that's not the issues Mclaren have been having (yet), they need to get it to run cleanly.
I don't blame Honda, I suspect 90+% of this is Mclaren problems.
Look, I fully understand what testing is all about (hell, done enough to learn the hard way), I just think considering the value of the limited testing there is, Mclaren have basically wasted two of the 4 days (and arguably more).
I'm guessing they've pushed assembling the car back to the 11th hour to give themselves maximum wind tunnel etc time. Seems sensible enough. There are nine more days of testing before Melborne qually. I don't think this is a team in crisis, just a team which needs to regroup, consolidate and fix a few things before Catalunya.
suffolk009 said:
rdjohn said:
An excellent piece from Mark Hughes explaining how McLaren and Ferarri need to catch up on last year's Mercedes
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/22058/9695979/fe...
It makes you wonder why SKY continue with Ted's pitiful notebook, when they have someone who seems to understand the important issues within their team.
I know what you mean, but print and screen are very different media.http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/22058/9695979/fe...
It makes you wonder why SKY continue with Ted's pitiful notebook, when they have someone who seems to understand the important issues within their team.
Jerez test times 2008-2014 - http://www.newsonf1.com/testing/jerezt.htm Magnussen set fastest lap on full dry and he won so many races last year.
Last day last year was wet then drying so think no one would have been doing a best lap + all new cars/engines/PU
Testing is just testing.
Last day last year was wet then drying so think no one would have been doing a best lap + all new cars/engines/PU
Testing is just testing.
I am still amused about people's perception re. Merc mileage. I remember a few years ago, when the Ferraris were clear cut the reliable option in the first 2 tests - doing way more than everyone else. Meanwhile, RBR kept stopping, overheating etc.
By race 3 it was clear that the Ferrari was just too conservative, while the aggressive RBR romped away by a second a lap. What did Ferrari learn during that test? Nothing that mattered. RBR? They learned what the minimum cooling was.
It's also clear that 2 of 4 race simulations for Merc were halted with issues - so although they look good, they also don't - the big need from last year is for more Merc reliability...
By race 3 it was clear that the Ferrari was just too conservative, while the aggressive RBR romped away by a second a lap. What did Ferrari learn during that test? Nothing that mattered. RBR? They learned what the minimum cooling was.
It's also clear that 2 of 4 race simulations for Merc were halted with issues - so although they look good, they also don't - the big need from last year is for more Merc reliability...
rdjohn said:
They could just pay him to write a sensible script for Ted, but I would prefer to hear Mark talking sense, than Ted's utter tosh.
During the season, that's exactly what he does..or at the very least, significantly informs that script.IMO, Ted's great but good TV is about supporting casts. He's there at the moment with a cameraman, a sound man, and that's probably about it. At races, they have a team of researchers script writers and producers to back him up.
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