Whats Lewis waiting for?
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Scuffers said:
They still have to beet Williams, who's budget is tiny in comparison.
Which was my point! Merc may withdraw as a manufacturer and go back to being an engine supplier. Similar marketing opportunities yet much cheaper and thus would affect an long term Merc deal for Hamilton.^^^^ But Merc wanted their own team. They wanted to be the winners, not the engine suppliers to the winners.
Joe Saward was writing, yesterday IIRC, that Renault have been irritated by the lack of recognition and halo effect for their brand whilst they supplied engines to Red Bull. Saward reports that they are now looking to buy an existing team and become a works team once again.
I suspect that Merc (like so many before them) will be out of F1 as a team and an engine supplier a mere season or two after they stop winning.
I simply do not understand why F1 goes out of it's way to encourage Manufacturers to become Teams.
Joe Saward was writing, yesterday IIRC, that Renault have been irritated by the lack of recognition and halo effect for their brand whilst they supplied engines to Red Bull. Saward reports that they are now looking to buy an existing team and become a works team once again.
I suspect that Merc (like so many before them) will be out of F1 as a team and an engine supplier a mere season or two after they stop winning.
I simply do not understand why F1 goes out of it's way to encourage Manufacturers to become Teams.
Emeye said:
Scuffers said:
They still have to beet Williams, who's budget is tiny in comparison.
Which was my point! Merc may withdraw as a manufacturer and go back to being an engine supplier. Similar marketing opportunities yet much cheaper and thus would affect an long term Merc deal for Hamilton.Emeye said:
Sounds strange that, as Renault have been pushing the Infinity brand recently.
It surprised me too.Renault sniffing around
by Joe Saward
The latest whisper is that Renault is pushing ahead with a project to buy an existing F1, in order to get a better return on its investment in F1. Since the French manufacturer gave away its F1 team in 2009 and fled the sport, red-faced after being caught with its trousers around its ankles over the race-fixing disgrace the previous year, the Company has not enjoyed much publicity, despite its successful engines. The success has been sucked up by Red Bull and Renault's sister brand Infiniti and Renault barely gets a mention when a Red Bull wins a race. This makes no sense at all. There was a plan a year or so ago to sell part of Renault Sport F1 to Nissan and share the engines and the technology but that was blocked, despite being very much in the style of Renault boss Carlos Ghosn's management. The obvious choice would be to buy Red Bull Racing but there is no sign that this is for sale, although a deal for three years of free publicity for The Austrian firm might convince Dietrich Mateschitz to go along with the plan. In any case he has a second team in Scuderia Toro Rosso and could keep a presence that way, at a fraction of the cost. Lotus is an option but that would require some serious rebuilding, while Force India and Sauber are not really seen as serious options. From what I hear Ghosn has given the go ahead for Renault to go shopping but we will have to see what comes back in the bag...
Derek Smith said:
Merc have a difficult time in justifying the expenditure to there board, which has a union rep. With unemployed car workers unemployed any suggestion that they are throwing money away on a Brit would not be received with joy.
Any payment would have lots of conditions applied to make it look less intimating than it really is.
Bankers bonuses sort of thing.
Mercedes are actually taking on more and more workers to cope with the increased demand for their products. Same with VW, BMW, Porsche etc here in Germany.Any payment would have lots of conditions applied to make it look less intimating than it really is.
Bankers bonuses sort of thing.
Emeye said:
No idea how correct this link is, https://infogr.am/team-f1-2014-budget-and-employee... , but even spending less than Ferrari, it would be cheaper for them to pull out as a manufacturer and support Williams - it could be that the Mercedes engine budget is split across the their engine customer teams though, so engine spending is not clear, and engine is what the current F1 is all about unfortunately.
Yeah, it's all about the engine. That's why MGP got such a hard time from Williams, Force India and McLaren last year, I guess and no Renault engined teams got a look in.Oh, wait a minute...........
Scuffers said:
At risk of repeating myself, running the team is cheap compared to the powertrain division.
Not if you are paying Lewis Hamilton £52trillionty a year.At the risk of repeating myself, what are the powetrain development costs? I can't find the figures online and no one has yet posted them.
With a miles better car than anyone else, Merc know that Hamilton needs them more than they need him. Lewis ends up Vettel stigmatised as the fastest driver in the fastest car. I'd love Ferrari to be all over Merc.
If Merc is dominant in 2015, Lewis wins, Rosberg is second, Merc is manufacturers champion. We are all bored.
If Merc is NOT dominant in 2015 then Lewis gets to prove his worth or not in an Alonso stylee drag your donkey into positions it should be capable of. Rosberg flounders. We all get an exciting season.
REALIST123 said:
Yeah, it's all about the engine. That's why MGP got such a hard time from Williams, Force India and McLaren last year, I guess and no Renault engined teams got a look in.
Oh, wait a minute...........
If Red Bull had used Merc power last year they would have won the championship. But Red Bull only got in the mix on circuits where power wasn't as important.Oh, wait a minute...........
The powertrain is the deciding factor.
krallicious said:
Derek Smith said:
Merc have a difficult time in justifying the expenditure to there board, which has a union rep. With unemployed car workers unemployed any suggestion that they are throwing money away on a Brit would not be received with joy.
Any payment would have lots of conditions applied to make it look less intimating than it really is.
Bankers bonuses sort of thing.
Mercedes are actually taking on more and more workers to cope with the increased demand for their products. Same with VW, BMW, Porsche etc here in Germany.Any payment would have lots of conditions applied to make it look less intimating than it really is.
Bankers bonuses sort of thing.
the question will be pretty simple ...how much do Merc think he's bringing in as marketable product, compared to what he wants ...f
k all to do with would another driver get similar results/ powertrain costs
I have no idea what markets the Merc board want to break into, but as mentioned above & whether you like him or not ...he is marketing gold
k all to do with would another driver get similar results/ powertrain costsI have no idea what markets the Merc board want to break into, but as mentioned above & whether you like him or not ...he is marketing gold
suffolk009 said:
Joe Saward was writing, yesterday IIRC, that Renault have been irritated by the lack of recognition and halo effect for their brand whilst they supplied engines to Red Bull. Saward reports that they are now looking to buy an existing team and become a works team once again.
Being a supplier to RB is a thankless task. Win and it's due to the chassis; lose and it's due to the engine. McClure said:
suffolk009 said:
Joe Saward was writing, yesterday IIRC, that Renault have been irritated by the lack of recognition and halo effect for their brand whilst they supplied engines to Red Bull. Saward reports that they are now looking to buy an existing team and become a works team once again.
Being a supplier to RB is a thankless task. Win and it's due to the chassis; lose and it's due to the engine. They should never have sold the team, stupidly personified.
Emeye said:
Which was my point! Merc may withdraw as a manufacturer and go back to being an engine supplier. Similar marketing opportunities yet much cheaper and thus would affect an long term Merc deal for Hamilton.
Wolff: Lewis, could we have a word with you?Lewis: [Nervous] No.
Wolff: I must have phrased that bad. My English is, how you say, inelegant. I meant to say, may we have a brief, friendly chat?
Lewis: Noooo!
Wolff: Once again I have failed.
Wolff: We request the pleasure of your company for a free exchange of ideas.
Lewis: NOOOOO!
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