*** Winter Testing #3 - Barcelona ***
Discussion
Some Gump said:
I agree that it's not good, but what would be the point in a conservative car?
It's better to try to win and fail, than settle for a steady 8th place. We already have Force India for that.
Well there is an argument that they just needed to provide a stable platform for the Honda, its great they are bringing a load of new aero parts to the test and first race, they will look good sat in the pits!It's better to try to win and fail, than settle for a steady 8th place. We already have Force India for that.
Do have to question how much of this didn't get sorted on the dyno before hand, GA makes the point mercedes managed to do that, so should have Honda.
May come good for them, but RBR had another plus last year, other teams using the same unit and getting mileage in, helped Renault. honda don't have that.
I would guess we will soon here the it won't be until the Spanish GP you will see the changes we need to turn things around press release coming out
andyps said:
History is full of areas where Ferrari have not followed the rules in F1, or have had them changed in their favour. I don't think that is good for the sport, or business of F1 and I don't think it would be for others to do the same - Red Bull seem to want to follow the same path.
I agree that there needs to be as many competitive cars as possible but I wouldn't watch something if the rules were not applied appropriately as it then becomes a sham. Mercedes domination last year can hardly be blamed for falling viewing figures - they may have been the superior team but they allowed their drivers to race each other, and they did that providing great racing. The domination of Ferrari in particular when Schumacher was winning was not good to watch as it was certain that there was no racing within the team, and the same pretty much applied to Red Bull with Vettel so after 9 years of that sort of dominance it is very short sighted to blame Mercedes. Look at the deals Ecclestone has done which have taken races off free to air channels in many countries (including half the races in the UK for live broadcast of course, partly due to the BBC but mainly down to the fees demanded) to easily understand why viewing figures are down.
Well said. Although I hope that McLaren pull off a miracle and get their cars sorted I'm glad they have done things ethically. I agree that there needs to be as many competitive cars as possible but I wouldn't watch something if the rules were not applied appropriately as it then becomes a sham. Mercedes domination last year can hardly be blamed for falling viewing figures - they may have been the superior team but they allowed their drivers to race each other, and they did that providing great racing. The domination of Ferrari in particular when Schumacher was winning was not good to watch as it was certain that there was no racing within the team, and the same pretty much applied to Red Bull with Vettel so after 9 years of that sort of dominance it is very short sighted to blame Mercedes. Look at the deals Ecclestone has done which have taken races off free to air channels in many countries (including half the races in the UK for live broadcast of course, partly due to the BBC but mainly down to the fees demanded) to easily understand why viewing figures are down.
RenOHH said:
REALIST123 said:
You don't really need Anderson to see the obvious though, do you?
Just putting some weight behind my views! All hell broke loose in the Jerez thread when some of dared to say McLaren-Honda had messed it up.however, Jerez was still too early to state they had messed up, you couldn't of predicted accurately what would follow so it was a 50/50 assumption.
Seems Mercedes have an innovative solution to the nose camera mounts....not popular with the other teams
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-finds-a...
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-finds-a...
Vaud said:
Richard-G said:
However they also have Alonso!! out for an indefinite amount of time.
Where has that been stated? He missed this test; that is all that is certain.a direct quote from Ron Dennis confirms they don't know his return date yet on autosport but i cannot post it as my free views have run out.
i think its 50/50 if he will make OZ and with Malaysia the week after he might miss the first two. its not in the hands of Mclaren and Fernando in any case.
DanielSan said:
I think Mclaren have done a bit less mileage, but Red Bull had never run a race distance before Melbourne last year so they're in roughly the same position. Mclaren said last week they haven't opened the taps full on the motor yet so we don't even know it's relative pace. The only thing we know so far is it doesn't look like it'll reach the finish in Australia or Malaysia a few days later.
Everybody said that about the Ferrai semi-automatic gearbox in 1989, and Mansell came first in it's debut race...A wise man wouldn't write McLaren off on pre-season testiung.....007 VXR said:
REALIST123 said:
As you say the engine hasn't been run hard yet, and still it keeps failing. Not good, to say the least.
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