Alonso not racing in Australian GP

[andyps]

Jonsnow606 said:

Is it me, or do Mclaren come across as a bunch of incompetent idiots with whatever they do?...

With the debacle of pre-season contract negotiations, then this a month later.

With the history of the company, I've always been a fan, but over the past few years I've become disillusioned with some very strange things they've done, to a stage were I actually enjoy any sort of misfortune they have.

I don't think the same.

Without knowing the actual negotiations which were going on inside McLaren in relation to drivers for 2015 we don't know if they were procrastinating or were still working on deals up to the last minute, trying to ensure they did the best thing for the long term. In either situation I'm not sure what they were supposed to say to the public beyond what they did.

Similarly, they may have had very good reasons not to give more information than has been the case in relation to Alonso's accident, quite apart from an actual lack of information available to be released. They stated what they did in relation to some of the telemetry data, did you expect them to show the specific charts only to have accusations that they had been doctored?

We seem to live in a period of immediate gratification and there are plenty reasons why it is not provided, and even if it is people question the validity of what is provided, or demand more. A bit of a lose-lose for an organisation like McLaren if that is how you choose to view it.

[Steamer]

EskimoArapaho said:

You've got to wonder about older F1 driver's motivations now. After Schumacher and Bianchi falling into such horrible states after head trauma, it must be a real test of Alonso's F1 hunger to take a significant bash to the brain and then rush to get back into a car.

If he has no memory of what happened, and therefore no way of knowing how he could avoid the same happening again, he may be disinclined to jump back in. Can't say I blame him.

(Yes, I know Schumacher's incident wasn't an F1 crash.)

Hunger? Alonso hasnt exactly 'phoned it in' for the last few years has he? He's driven the wheels off that red donkey every race. The man is hell bent on getting his 3rd WDT.

... Which makes it all the more concerning that he's not on the grid for the first race.

[anonymous-user]

VictorMedrew said:

garyhun said:

I spent the 2nd half of a game of football with concussion (Uni back in the 80s). I didn't touch the ball once and just kept wandering around the pitch aimlessly........
.

Do you now play for England?

Assistant coach.

[RichB]

hora said:

Jonsnow606 said:

With the history of the company, I've always been a fan

They lost me when they dicked LH around like he was a spent/hasbeen. Insulting.

Always been a Williams supporter myself

[EskimoArapaho]

Steamer said:

Hunger? Alonso hasnt exactly 'phoned it in' for the last few years has he? He's driven the wheels off that red donkey every race. The man is hell bent on getting his 3rd WDT.

... Which makes it all the more concerning that he's not on the grid for the first race.

(sigh) Please read it again. I'm saying nothing about his commitment prior to the crash. I'm saying that after the crash, it's quite natural that he would see it as a wake-up call. And that makes it a more significant test of his hunger than recent Ferraris.

[thechosenfamily]

hora said:

When I had concussion they asked me who the Prime Minister was- I knew it, it was on the tip of my tongue. Apparently for about 2hours I said I'd have the answer soon and kept on apologising for not knowing.

I'd have said

"whoever he his, he's a ct" and saw if that flew.

It's not like it's an inaccurate statement after all

[Derek Smith]

I was talking to one of the top two head trauma doctors in England. (That said, he was number 2, but what can you do?) He reckoned that there is every possibility that rugby will be banned, or at least the contact part of it, due to recent revelations about head injuries with, he feels, more to come and quite soon. The lead in this will not be the RFU but the insurance companies. The clubs won't be able to afford cover.

He also mentioned soccer, with heading the football.

Evidently, there is considerable research going on at the moment.

We wait and see.

[Mermaid]

hora said:

Jonsnow606 said:

Is it me, or do Mclaren come across as a bunch of incompetent idiots with whatever they do?...

With the debacle of pre-season contract negotiations, then this a month later.

With the history of the company, I've always been a fan, but over the past few years I've become disillusioned with some very strange things they've done, to a stage were I actually enjoy any sort of misfortune they have.

They do come across as the most incompetent of the bigger f1 teams, so I suppose it shouldn't be a surprise.

Edited by Jonsnow606 on Friday 6th March 13:16

They lost me when they dicked LH around like he was a spent/hasbeen. Insulting.

Would like McLaren to succeed, but not at all confident of their strategy in recent years, Is Ron a spent force?

[London424]

Derek Smith said:

I was talking to one of the top two head trauma doctors in England. (That said, he was number 2, but what can you do?) He reckoned that there is every possibility that rugby will be banned, or at least the contact part of it, due to recent revelations about head injuries with, he feels, more to come and quite soon. The lead in this will not be the RFU but the insurance companies. The clubs won't be able to afford cover.

He also mentioned soccer, with heading the football.

Evidently, there is considerable research going on at the moment.

We wait and see.

I can't see that happening...just look at the US and the NFL. Massive lawsuits etc, but there is no talk of the sport being banned.

[Dick Seaman]

Couldn't the participants sign something stating that they're aware of the risks and accept any negative consequences.

[JonRB]

Mermaid said:

Would like McLaren to succeed, but not at all confident of their strategy in recent years, Is Ron a spent force?

Ron has only recently regained the helm of the F1 team, so you can't really lay the blame at his feet.

[JonRB]

Derek Smith said:

I was talking to one of the top two head trauma doctors in England. (That said, he was number 2, but what can you do?) He reckoned that there is every possibility that rugby will be banned, or at least the contact part of it, due to recent revelations about head injuries with, he feels, more to come and quite soon. The lead in this will not be the RFU but the insurance companies. The clubs won't be able to afford cover.

Well if that's the case then I hope they outright ban boxing. Two people enter a ring and proceed to strike each other around the head until one of them is rendered unconscious.

Also, "Tag Rugby"? We stopped playing that at school when we were 12. That was the point at which I lost interest in playing.

[Doink]

reportedly told medics: “I’m Fernando, I drive go-karts!”

Doctors said the top driver had forgotten the last 20 years of his life and believed he was still a teenage wannabe in 1995, it was claimed.

So with that being said I wonder if he's actually forgotten how to drive an F1 car, maybe that's the real reason he won't be going to Australia?

Totally different I know but its like when Hammond on top gear was hypnotized and told he couldn't drive and then asked to do a lap in a car, sat in it totally bewildered

[Mermaid]

JonRB said:

Mermaid said:

Would like McLaren to succeed, but not at all confident of their strategy in recent years, Is Ron a spent force?

Ron has only recently regained the helm of the F1 team, so you can't really lay the blame at his feet.

Fair comment, but I cannot imagine him ever having given up all control.

[jbudgie]

As noted in the BBC article :- McLaren chairman Ron Dennis says: "There were two G readings, when his head hit one side of the cockpit and then the other side of the cockpit."


So two bangs on the head would have more effect I assume.

[MartG]

http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/24184/9746706/fe...

I'd surmise that if he got another head impact in the near future he could well be out for good

[andy-xr]

Then, imagine, he's sat on the grid, Dolph Lundgren in true IMustBreakYou style is heading down the pit lane with a Brundle-mic, Alonso spots him and calls for....




I still maintain McLaren are full of st, they really cant communicate at any level without running themselves round in circles.

[glazbagun]

EskimoArapaho said:

(sigh) Please read it again. I'm saying nothing about his commitment prior to the crash. I'm saying that after the crash, it's quite natural that he would see it as a wake-up call. And that makes it a more significant test of his hunger than recent Ferraris.

I'm not so sure. A mate of mine watched his brother fall and split his head open doing Trad climbing in the peak district. Put him straight off Trad in aboht thirty seconds despite doing it for years.

His brother, however, had no memory of having his head held together and just thought everyone was being a bit wet. He carried on same as he always did. Watching The Crash Reel (deffo worth a watch, though I think everyone on PH has seenit by now), brain injuries to super driven people don't seem to make them more sensible, though I guess that was all frotal lobe stuff.

Jackie Stewarts generation lived through far worse, did any of them retire early without being maimed? I genuinely don't know.

[BritishRacinGrin]

Sterling Moss gave up F1 after a bang on the head (and two broken legs etc etc) as he said that when he next drove the car he was having to do consciously what he used to do instinctively.

No I'm not saying this is what Fernando is doing.

[Park'O]

Doink said:

reportedlydoubtld medics: “I’m Fernando, I drive go-karts!”

Doctors said the top driver had forgotten the last 20 years of his life and believed he was still a teenage wannabe in 1995, it was claimed.

So with that being said I wonder if he's actually forgotten how to drive an F1 car, maybe that's the real reason he won't be going to Australia?

Totally different I know but its like when Hammond on top gear was hypnotized and told he couldn't drive and then asked to do a lap in a car, sat in it totally bewildered

I heard this too ragarding Alonso thinking it was 1994 but I'd doubt he's forgotten how to drive an F1 car. I think the reason for Alonso not racing next week is the fact the Doctor has advised him not to go on an aeroplane. High altitude - pressure on the head.
I don't know if Anybody has mentioned this on here yet but I still believe the theory Alonso was electrocuted which knocked him out causing him to crash.
Ron Dennis definitely covering something up! Like David Coulthard said " There is conflict in McLaren's words therefore something doesn't add up".

Edited by Park'O on Saturday 7th March 07:56