Alonso not racing in Australian GP
Discussion
Park'O said:
I heard this too ragarding Alonso thinking it was 1994 but I'd doubt he's forgotten how to drive an F1 car. I think the reason for Alonso not racing next week is the fact the Doctor has advised him not to go on an aeroplane. High altitude - pressure on the head.
I don't know if Anybody has mentioned this on here yet but I still believe the theory Alonso was electrocuted which knocked him out causing him to crash.
Ron Dennis definitely covering something up! Like David Coulthard said " There is conflict in McLaren's words therefore something doesn't add up".
Aircraft cabin pressure is equal to or lower than atmospheric pressure at sea level.I don't know if Anybody has mentioned this on here yet but I still believe the theory Alonso was electrocuted which knocked him out causing him to crash.
Ron Dennis definitely covering something up! Like David Coulthard said " There is conflict in McLaren's words therefore something doesn't add up".
McLaren have published telemetry data which suggests Alonso was conscious up until the point he hit the wall. They have also stressed that there was no chance of an electricution having been involved (although I appreciate that they may not be telling the whole truth)
In my opinion Alonso has simply been unlucky. The double impact of his head rattling sidewards against the tub knocked him unconcious briefly and left him with a fairly severe concussion, The medical staff were concerned by this. McLaren's car is not going to be at the sharp end from the beginning and McLaren have prudently decided not to put their new star driver at any health risk from double impact syndrome when they have a reserve driver lined up and nothing to lose.
BritishRacinGrin said:
...McLaren have published telemetry data which suggests Alonso was conscious up until the point he hit the wall. They have also stressed that there was no chance of an electricution having been involved (although I appreciate that they may not be telling the whole truth)...
The telemetry shows Alonso was braking properly and changing gear prior to impact hence the assumption that he was conscious. Yeah it's not water tight but I believe it. The data available has shown that Fernando was faster into turn three than he had been before, he was off line, he hit the astro and got spat off the track. I don't really buy any health issue / electro shock conspiracy theories mostly because it's too big a coincidence for me to believe that these two events occurred at the exact same moment and combined to create a perfect storm scenario whereby Fernando was out of control but had simultaneously been rendered unable to regain control as a result of a health issue or electric shock.
I also don't see why any electrical current would 'want' to go through a driver, where is this current supposed to be going from / to?
I also don't see why any electrical current would 'want' to go through a driver, where is this current supposed to be going from / to?
London424 said:
Derek Smith said:
I was talking to one of the top two head trauma doctors in England. (That said, he was number 2, but what can you do?) He reckoned that there is every possibility that rugby will be banned, or at least the contact part of it, due to recent revelations about head injuries with, he feels, more to come and quite soon. The lead in this will not be the RFU but the insurance companies. The clubs won't be able to afford cover.
He also mentioned soccer, with heading the football.
Evidently, there is considerable research going on at the moment.
We wait and see.
I can't see that happening...just look at the US and the NFL. Massive lawsuits etc, but there is no talk of the sport being banned. He also mentioned soccer, with heading the football.
Evidently, there is considerable research going on at the moment.
We wait and see.
People bemoan the changes that have happened to the enforcement of the laws, but I occasionally played on the wing as a kid and I never lasted a whole match, being beaten, kicked, tripped and pushed into a tarmaced car park.
Concussion is an unavoidable injury as we play now. Brain damage can result, the research is clear, and care will cost. Once insurance companies refuse cover, the game as we know it ends.
The old knockabout days are long gone. The RFU of old looked at the problems of serious injuries whilst playing and came up with the ultimate solution: replacements. It's got a lot more litigious since then.
I've got a serious back injury. I was thrown against a table fixed to the floor when I was under 30. I'm now 68 and have regular back pain. I've been reading a bit on injuries in NFL and in various Oz sports and on one I saw an X-ray that looked identical to one of mine. It was uncanny. The blurb suggested a 'typical' injury in NFL, normally where someone is charged into - they don't tackle as such - when they were not expecting it or the quarter back was about to throw the ball. Typical = three fractured vertebrae from being thrown into a table.
Some of the X-rays of rugby union players are frightening. Sooner or later the laws will be questioned, and sooner rather than later I think.
We've all seen them in the club house, those old players whose hands shake at the age of 60, who can't get up a flight of stairs without help, who can't stand straight.
My lad plays at level 6 and reckons he'll retire from playing at the age of 30. He's looked into long term injuries from playing rugby and wants as little of it as possible.
I watched the Toulouse players walk in from their coach for a match against the Quins. I'm 6'3, my younger lad is 6'3", my elder lad is the midget of the family at 6'2". Their scrum half was about the same height. We were sitting on the 22 when two of theirs tacked Jordan Turner-Hall. The lad was flattened.
It's getting very dangerous out there.
In the old days the odds against a driver surviving his career unscathed were quite long. With the money in the sport, they can afford the best health care, but concussion seems to be the norm with the current speeds on impact. I'm with Alonso here. Watch yourself. Nothing is as important as not dribbling at the age of 55.
Park'O said:
I heard this too ragarding Alonso thinking it was 1994 but I'd doubt he's forgotten how to drive an F1 car. I think the reason for Alonso not racing next week is the fact the Doctor has advised him not to go on an aeroplane. High altitude - pressure on the head.
I don't know if Anybody has mentioned this on here yet but I still believe the theory Alonso was electrocuted which knocked him out causing him to crash.
Ron Dennis definitely covering something up! Like David Coulthard said " There is conflict in McLaren's words therefore something doesn't add up".
Electrocution? It's a widespread theory, and I'm no engineer, but I though you only became electrocuted when the current has somewhere to flow to - until then you're like a bird sitting on power line.I don't know if Anybody has mentioned this on here yet but I still believe the theory Alonso was electrocuted which knocked him out causing him to crash.
Ron Dennis definitely covering something up! Like David Coulthard said " There is conflict in McLaren's words therefore something doesn't add up".
Edited by Park'O on Saturday 7th March 07:56
I also think the electricity theory is complete nonsense. If we'd been driving electric cars for years and had just introduced the petrol engine, then we'd all be suggesting he'd fainted from the vapours or exhaust fumes.
Derek Smith said:
By 'rugby being banned', I think, in fact I know, we was talking about rule changes, although, I reckon, what would be left would not be rugby as we know it.
People bemoan the changes that have happened to the enforcement of the laws, but I occasionally played on the wing as a kid and I never lasted a whole match, being beaten, kicked, tripped and pushed into a tarmaced car park.
Concussion is an unavoidable injury as we play now. Brain damage can result, the research is clear, and care will cost. Once insurance companies refuse cover, the game as we know it ends.
The old knockabout days are long gone. The RFU of old looked at the problems of serious injuries whilst playing and came up with the ultimate solution: replacements. It's got a lot more litigious since then.
I've got a serious back injury. I was thrown against a table fixed to the floor when I was under 30. I'm now 68 and have regular back pain. I've been reading a bit on injuries in NFL and in various Oz sports and on one I saw an X-ray that looked identical to one of mine. It was uncanny. The blurb suggested a 'typical' injury in NFL, normally where someone is charged into - they don't tackle as such - when they were not expecting it or the quarter back was about to throw the ball. Typical = three fractured vertebrae from being thrown into a table.
Some of the X-rays of rugby union players are frightening. Sooner or later the laws will be questioned, and sooner rather than later I think.
We've all seen them in the club house, those old players whose hands shake at the age of 60, who can't get up a flight of stairs without help, who can't stand straight.
My lad plays at level 6 and reckons he'll retire from playing at the age of 30. He's looked into long term injuries from playing rugby and wants as little of it as possible.
I watched the Toulouse players walk in from their coach for a match against the Quins. I'm 6'3, my younger lad is 6'3", my elder lad is the midget of the family at 6'2". Their scrum half was about the same height. We were sitting on the 22 when two of theirs tacked Jordan Turner-Hall. The lad was flattened.
It's getting very dangerous out there.
In the old days the odds against a driver surviving his career unscathed were quite long. With the money in the sport, they can afford the best health care, but concussion seems to be the norm with the current speeds on impact. I'm with Alonso here. Watch yourself. Nothing is as important as not dribbling at the age of 55.
My great uncle used to play for sale. He was still playing rugby in his 90's and until he died recently was known as the oldest rugby player in the world.People bemoan the changes that have happened to the enforcement of the laws, but I occasionally played on the wing as a kid and I never lasted a whole match, being beaten, kicked, tripped and pushed into a tarmaced car park.
Concussion is an unavoidable injury as we play now. Brain damage can result, the research is clear, and care will cost. Once insurance companies refuse cover, the game as we know it ends.
The old knockabout days are long gone. The RFU of old looked at the problems of serious injuries whilst playing and came up with the ultimate solution: replacements. It's got a lot more litigious since then.
I've got a serious back injury. I was thrown against a table fixed to the floor when I was under 30. I'm now 68 and have regular back pain. I've been reading a bit on injuries in NFL and in various Oz sports and on one I saw an X-ray that looked identical to one of mine. It was uncanny. The blurb suggested a 'typical' injury in NFL, normally where someone is charged into - they don't tackle as such - when they were not expecting it or the quarter back was about to throw the ball. Typical = three fractured vertebrae from being thrown into a table.
Some of the X-rays of rugby union players are frightening. Sooner or later the laws will be questioned, and sooner rather than later I think.
We've all seen them in the club house, those old players whose hands shake at the age of 60, who can't get up a flight of stairs without help, who can't stand straight.
My lad plays at level 6 and reckons he'll retire from playing at the age of 30. He's looked into long term injuries from playing rugby and wants as little of it as possible.
I watched the Toulouse players walk in from their coach for a match against the Quins. I'm 6'3, my younger lad is 6'3", my elder lad is the midget of the family at 6'2". Their scrum half was about the same height. We were sitting on the 22 when two of theirs tacked Jordan Turner-Hall. The lad was flattened.
It's getting very dangerous out there.
In the old days the odds against a driver surviving his career unscathed were quite long. With the money in the sport, they can afford the best health care, but concussion seems to be the norm with the current speeds on impact. I'm with Alonso here. Watch yourself. Nothing is as important as not dribbling at the age of 55.
You wouldn't meet a more fit and healthy 90 year old.
Derek Smith said:
By 'rugby being banned', I think, in fact I know, we was talking about rule changes, although, I reckon, what would be left would not be rugby as we know it.
People bemoan the changes that have happened to the enforcement of the laws, but I occasionally played on the wing as a kid and I never lasted a whole match, being beaten, kicked, tripped and pushed into a tarmaced car park.
Concussion is an unavoidable injury as we play now. Brain damage can result, the research is clear, and care will cost. Once insurance companies refuse cover, the game as we know it ends.
The old knockabout days are long gone. The RFU of old looked at the problems of serious injuries whilst playing and came up with the ultimate solution: replacements. It's got a lot more litigious since then.
I've got a serious back injury. I was thrown against a table fixed to the floor when I was under 30. I'm now 68 and have regular back pain. I've been reading a bit on injuries in NFL and in various Oz sports and on one I saw an X-ray that looked identical to one of mine. It was uncanny. The blurb suggested a 'typical' injury in NFL, normally where someone is charged into - they don't tackle as such - when they were not expecting it or the quarter back was about to throw the ball. Typical = three fractured vertebrae from being thrown into a table.
Some of the X-rays of rugby union players are frightening. Sooner or later the laws will be questioned, and sooner rather than later I think.
We've all seen them in the club house, those old players whose hands shake at the age of 60, who can't get up a flight of stairs without help, who can't stand straight.
My lad plays at level 6 and reckons he'll retire from playing at the age of 30. He's looked into long term injuries from playing rugby and wants as little of it as possible.
I watched the Toulouse players walk in from their coach for a match against the Quins. I'm 6'3, my younger lad is 6'3", my elder lad is the midget of the family at 6'2". Their scrum half was about the same height. We were sitting on the 22 when two of theirs tacked Jordan Turner-Hall. The lad was flattened.
It's getting very dangerous out there.
In the old days the odds against a driver surviving his career unscathed were quite long. With the money in the sport, they can afford the best health care, but concussion seems to be the norm with the current speeds on impact. I'm with Alonso here. Watch yourself. Nothing is as important as not dribbling at the age of 55.
As I said the NFL has a much higher rate of any type of injury you care to mention compared to Rugby. People bemoan the changes that have happened to the enforcement of the laws, but I occasionally played on the wing as a kid and I never lasted a whole match, being beaten, kicked, tripped and pushed into a tarmaced car park.
Concussion is an unavoidable injury as we play now. Brain damage can result, the research is clear, and care will cost. Once insurance companies refuse cover, the game as we know it ends.
The old knockabout days are long gone. The RFU of old looked at the problems of serious injuries whilst playing and came up with the ultimate solution: replacements. It's got a lot more litigious since then.
I've got a serious back injury. I was thrown against a table fixed to the floor when I was under 30. I'm now 68 and have regular back pain. I've been reading a bit on injuries in NFL and in various Oz sports and on one I saw an X-ray that looked identical to one of mine. It was uncanny. The blurb suggested a 'typical' injury in NFL, normally where someone is charged into - they don't tackle as such - when they were not expecting it or the quarter back was about to throw the ball. Typical = three fractured vertebrae from being thrown into a table.
Some of the X-rays of rugby union players are frightening. Sooner or later the laws will be questioned, and sooner rather than later I think.
We've all seen them in the club house, those old players whose hands shake at the age of 60, who can't get up a flight of stairs without help, who can't stand straight.
My lad plays at level 6 and reckons he'll retire from playing at the age of 30. He's looked into long term injuries from playing rugby and wants as little of it as possible.
I watched the Toulouse players walk in from their coach for a match against the Quins. I'm 6'3, my younger lad is 6'3", my elder lad is the midget of the family at 6'2". Their scrum half was about the same height. We were sitting on the 22 when two of theirs tacked Jordan Turner-Hall. The lad was flattened.
It's getting very dangerous out there.
In the old days the odds against a driver surviving his career unscathed were quite long. With the money in the sport, they can afford the best health care, but concussion seems to be the norm with the current speeds on impact. I'm with Alonso here. Watch yourself. Nothing is as important as not dribbling at the age of 55.
They have still in the process of litigation with the players union about looking after the ex players in retirement.
Many players have donated their brains to medical research and the findings are scary.
They still won't have any issues with insurance or Amy risk of the game being banned.
Where I agree is as per the NFL there will be rule tweaks/changes to mitigate some things.
jsf said:
My great uncle used to play for sale. He was still playing rugby in his 90's and until he died recently was known as the oldest rugby player in the world.
You wouldn't meet a more fit and healthy 90 year old.
That was in the old day though, before everyone started bulkng up massively at 17.You wouldn't meet a more fit and healthy 90 year old.
The force in the hits and tackles are much more these days.
el stovey said:
That was in the old day though, before everyone started bulkng up massively at 17.
The force in the hits and tackles are much more these days.
Maybe so, but Derek does go on about totally wrecked 60 year olds. Maybe Des was just too fast to get caught, he still holds the try scoring record for Sale with 68 tries in one season.The force in the hits and tackles are much more these days.
F1 Drivers Association now getting involved "to reassure its members amid serious concerns over safety following the crash".
Those concerns must have come from a driver or drivers, something about the crash must be rattling their cage.
Edit to add source.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formul...
Those concerns must have come from a driver or drivers, something about the crash must be rattling their cage.
Edit to add source.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formul...
el stovey said:
That was in the old day though, before everyone started bulkng up massively at 17.
The force in the hits and tackles are much more these days.
One player I saw was one of the most gifted centres/wing I'd ever seen in under 17s. There was a county match and the opposition had three players on him whenever he got the ball. He used to twist and turn like one of the classic 15s. His sidesteps were magical. The force in the hits and tackles are much more these days.
He then got picked for one of those academy places and within a year he'd just bulked out. He was massive. He was just like everyone else. All that made him special was muted. He was carting around so much bulk that he wasn't so quick off the mark or could twist out of tackles.
As everyone at the club said, he needed to bulk up in order to last more than one tackle. I've seen him play for his premiership team on occasion and he got hit by a second row and then by a centre. It was right in front of where we were sitting. The impact was painful for me. All perfectly legal. He got up after some treatment and finished the half but not the match.
It was clear he'd been targeted to be hit early on in the match.
He was out for the next home match. Just one tackle.
The greats of the pre-professional game wouldn't last their first ruck.
There's no going back of course, and I'm not sure anyone would want that, but rugby should not be a game for giants only.
Gazzab said:
Didn't vettel comment that he was following Alonso at the time and that Alonso accident was strange. Has vettel commented since? Is he staying quiet?
Well, that's gone a bit strange, too. He seems to have changed his mind: http://www.grandprix247.com/2015/03/07/vettel-vide...EskimoArapaho said:
Well, that's gone a bit strange, too. He seems to have changed his mind: http://www.grandprix247.com/2015/03/07/vettel-vide...
Whilst he has changed his mind, eye witness accounts are always notoriously inaccurate. All I can ascertain from this whole affair is that for *some* reason, Alonso had a regular crash. He then suffered from regular concussion and memory loss. He is now taking a regular recovery time and will probably be back to normal come Malaysia.Whilst there may be other medical information, we have absolutely no right to that information.
It isn't about us having the right to the info it's about the concern that there may be more to this story going on the bizarre accident and info to date. As fans of f1 then we are interested in the story. The politics, legalities and other stuff are generally bigger stories than the on circuit action.
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