Horners at it again
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revrange said:
Horner argument just doesnt hold water.
To be fair take a lesson from Ron. your in partnership with your engine guys, so suck it up, and have the arguments behind closed doors
This! I'm not a huge Ron Dennis fan at all, but the interview he did with Ted kravitz on Saturday I thought he was very dignified. He waffled a bit, but at no point did he directly lay the blame squarely at Honda's door, which in my opinion is where the blame should go. I believe his phrase was 'now is the time to be a strong partner' To be fair take a lesson from Ron. your in partnership with your engine guys, so suck it up, and have the arguments behind closed doors
maybe if CH and Red bull did that with Renault, they might get a better response.
I knew this whinge was coming but I must admit he's surprised even me with coming out with it this early.. I actually don't mind the Red Bull team/brand in general but I do sincerely wish that Horner would just f
k off - complaining like this is childish, had to be said I loved Toto Wolff's response of "get your fking head down" 
k off - complaining like this is childish, had to be said I loved Toto Wolff's response of "get your fking head down" Edited by KaraK on Monday 16th March 09:53
I think Horner has a point. They should change the rules allowing Red Bull to start 10 laps ahead of everyone else plus stop the race to allow them to change their geabox when it goes bang. That seems only fair to me. I guess they could also allow RB to lighten their car during the race by letting their drivers throw Horner's toys out as they circulate.
And here is the expected "we're going to take our toys home!" threat from Red Bull:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/118081
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/118081
Adam Cooper on Red Bull selling up. Can't imagine CH being the top of many other teams shopping lists for talent.
http://adamcooperf1.com/2015/03/15/horner-denies-t...
http://adamcooperf1.com/2015/03/15/horner-denies-t...
BritishRacinGrin said:
Horner, you see that? That's Toto Wolff, Niki Lauda and Paddy Lowe showing you how to manage a team which is successful and popular with it. Suck it up you hypocrite.
I don't think Mercedes are anymore popular than Red Bull were. Certainly not globally anyway. In Britain they are of course because of Lewis.suffolk009 said:
Adam Cooper on Red Bull selling up. Can't imagine CH being the top of many other teams shopping lists for talent.
http://adamcooperf1.com/2015/03/15/horner-denies-t...
Audi rumours again.. http://adamcooperf1.com/2015/03/15/horner-denies-t...
How do you slow Mercedes down without slowing everyone else?
Its not all power unit, look at Force India they're not quick! I'd stick my neck out and say the Ferrari unit is now very close to it based on the performance of Ferrari Vs Williams and of Sauber vs Lotus and Force India. Other than at Mercedes the Ferrari runners have moved forwards more, unfortunately Renault lost ground instead of making it up. Renault seem to pushed the envelope to make gains and failed to find the gains they hoped for, in pushing that little bit extra for power they've not made it any more reliable.
The Mercedes to my knowledge doesn't have any 1 specific feature making it quick, nor does it seem to push the legality boundaries which have got systems banned in recent years, fric / blown floors / double drs.
It is simply appears a very well engineered packaged, no aspect alone is spectacularly better than everyone else its just slightly better in key areas that work together and increase the gains.
Its not all power unit, look at Force India they're not quick! I'd stick my neck out and say the Ferrari unit is now very close to it based on the performance of Ferrari Vs Williams and of Sauber vs Lotus and Force India. Other than at Mercedes the Ferrari runners have moved forwards more, unfortunately Renault lost ground instead of making it up. Renault seem to pushed the envelope to make gains and failed to find the gains they hoped for, in pushing that little bit extra for power they've not made it any more reliable.
The Mercedes to my knowledge doesn't have any 1 specific feature making it quick, nor does it seem to push the legality boundaries which have got systems banned in recent years, fric / blown floors / double drs.
It is simply appears a very well engineered packaged, no aspect alone is spectacularly better than everyone else its just slightly better in key areas that work together and increase the gains.
Mercedes is a great example of a team that knows how to motivate and use resources correctly. Despite modelling a Hugo Boss teamwear jacket that reminded me of a WW2 officer's uniform in Melbourne, Paddy Lowe redeemed himself in my eyes by jetting back to the factory and putting in a motivational speech this morning.
And who is masterminding his chassis work? Ferrsri discard Aldo Costa...a man who worked so well within Rory Byrne's group but who floundered when asked to head up the chassis department at Ferrari. A good leader knows the strengths and weaknesses of his team and builds it accordingly. I'd say that's why Mercedes is working.
As to RBR, it seems that they may be testing the limits of the Entente Cordiale....I've been there, read the book, got the T-Shirt....
And who is masterminding his chassis work? Ferrsri discard Aldo Costa...a man who worked so well within Rory Byrne's group but who floundered when asked to head up the chassis department at Ferrari. A good leader knows the strengths and weaknesses of his team and builds it accordingly. I'd say that's why Mercedes is working.
As to RBR, it seems that they may be testing the limits of the Entente Cordiale....I've been there, read the book, got the T-Shirt....
I didn't get his "the rules castrate Newey". Does he expect the rules to be written around only HIS main designer's strength's? Was he expecting sympathy? All Newey did was find clever loopholes in the rule book and exploit them first. The current cars are a much larger engineering feat with so many interlinking factors to consider.
rubystone said:
Mercedes is a great example of a team that knows how to motivate and use resources correctly. Despite modelling a Hugo Boss teamwear jacket that reminded me of a WW2 officer's uniform in Melbourne, Paddy Lowe redeemed himself in my eyes by jetting back to the factory and putting in a motivational speech this morning.
And who is masterminding his chassis work? Ferrsri discard Aldo Costa...a man who worked so well within Rory Byrne's group but who floundered when asked to head up the chassis department at Ferrari. A good leader knows the strengths and weaknesses of his team and builds it accordingly. I'd say that's why Mercedes is working.
As to RBR, it seems that they may be testing the limits of the Entente Cordiale....I've been there, read the book, got the T-Shirt....
[Ahem] Hugo Boss does have form for WW2 uniforms...And who is masterminding his chassis work? Ferrsri discard Aldo Costa...a man who worked so well within Rory Byrne's group but who floundered when asked to head up the chassis department at Ferrari. A good leader knows the strengths and weaknesses of his team and builds it accordingly. I'd say that's why Mercedes is working.
As to RBR, it seems that they may be testing the limits of the Entente Cordiale....I've been there, read the book, got the T-Shirt....
If RB want to leave the sport then they will want to do so without any harmful PR, and crippling F1 just because they can’t win would probably do just that.
If they can suggest that they are being treated unfairly then they have something they can spout at post event interviews and regurgitate at PR functions.
On the other hand, it might be a threat, although not without an ulterior motive. Firstly, they could leave, tomorrow if they wanted to. However, CVC/Ecclestone knows this and the damage that such an exit would engender might well convince anyone with short-termism as their outlook that some sort of accommodation might be worthwhile. There is every chance that such a move might upset those investors in the sport who are backing other teams.
RB have salted the battlefield by ensuring that there is no group of teams that could form a pressure group against RB’s interests.
RB will be looking at their data, the metrics showing them whether they are getting value for money. Many might feel they would not be positive. They have to balance to cost of continued participation against that of abandoning the sport.
I’ve not idea which wins, but I bet the RB bean-counters do.
This might be a final effort to get back to winning ways before pulling the plug.
One wonders if the magic solution of having an RB employee as Ecclestone’s replacement has hit the buffers.
F1 does not seem to be the licence to print money that it was just a few short years ago. Whilst the viewing figures, surely something that would interest RB greatly, might turn around, there will have to be a reason for it, and 15 cars on the grid and 9 at the end is not enough I feel.
If they can suggest that they are being treated unfairly then they have something they can spout at post event interviews and regurgitate at PR functions.
On the other hand, it might be a threat, although not without an ulterior motive. Firstly, they could leave, tomorrow if they wanted to. However, CVC/Ecclestone knows this and the damage that such an exit would engender might well convince anyone with short-termism as their outlook that some sort of accommodation might be worthwhile. There is every chance that such a move might upset those investors in the sport who are backing other teams.
RB have salted the battlefield by ensuring that there is no group of teams that could form a pressure group against RB’s interests.
RB will be looking at their data, the metrics showing them whether they are getting value for money. Many might feel they would not be positive. They have to balance to cost of continued participation against that of abandoning the sport.
I’ve not idea which wins, but I bet the RB bean-counters do.
This might be a final effort to get back to winning ways before pulling the plug.
One wonders if the magic solution of having an RB employee as Ecclestone’s replacement has hit the buffers.
F1 does not seem to be the licence to print money that it was just a few short years ago. Whilst the viewing figures, surely something that would interest RB greatly, might turn around, there will have to be a reason for it, and 15 cars on the grid and 9 at the end is not enough I feel.
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