Horners at it again
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bullies180 said:
thought i'd dig this up, can't find the links to when horner said that it is other teams responsibilities to catch red bull up back in 2011 i think.
http://www.racer.com/f1/item/111324-rbr-f1-can-t-f...
Just some links and quotes from CH from previous years when RBR where winninghttp://www.racer.com/f1/item/111324-rbr-f1-can-t-f...
http://www.redbull.com/uk/en/motorsports/f1/storie...
http://www.rte.ie/sport/motorsport/f1/2013/1120/48...
http://www.rte.ie/sport/motorsport/f1/2013/1120/48...
"Asked about Vettel's accusation of “dirty tricks” in the sport, Horner said, “It's been a tough competition. F1 is a tough business, and you're up against some big opponents. The fastest way to become unpopular is to have repeated success. We've ignored what other teams are think and just really focused on ourselves.”
“In all honesty, Mercedes have done the best job this year - and all that does is motivate you,”, “You know how much work goes into winning a championship and to win it four times in a row [as we did in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013] is an enormous achievement"
“We don’t have the heritage of Ferrari, McLaren or even Mercedes. It probably sits uneasy with those guys for a young upstart team to come in with a young driver and achieve what we have. Somebody said to me that the best way to become unpopular is to win consistently.”
The execution of the Red Bull master plan, with Horner at the helm and Vettel wearing the visor, is not about to relent any time soon. “You push boundaries,” Horner says.
“That is what winning is all about. We will continue to push, because the moment you stand still you are going backwards.”
Doink said:
D-I-V-O-R-C-E Mermaid said:
Doink said:
D-I-V-O-R-C-E merc already at the limit of teams
Scuffers said:
Mermaid said:
Doink said:
D-I-V-O-R-C-E merc already at the limit of teams
deadslow said:
btcc123 said:
Funny they were not moaning when they were winning.
no, but every other team was, and they were forever being copied by rivals or 'looked at' by c whiting after others' bleating. its the nature of the game.Horner's stock response on previous years was always along the lines of "the other teams should do a better job".
On a related note, who at the FIA writes the rules and does an adult check their homework? How did their supposedly frozen engine rule have a loophole you could drive a Ferrari through? Whilst I was never a fan of Max Mosley as a person, I do get the impression that under him the FIA was at least occasionally effective, whereas under Jean Todt, alll they are doing is fiddling/freezing helmet designs while Rome burns.
Europa1 said:
deadslow said:
btcc123 said:
Funny they were not moaning when they were winning.
no, but every other team was, and they were forever being copied by rivals or 'looked at' by c whiting after others' bleating. its the nature of the game.Horner's stock response on previous years was always along the lines of "the other teams should do a better job".
On a related note, who at the FIA writes the rules and does an adult check their homework? How did their supposedly frozen engine rule have a loophole you could drive a Ferrari through? Whilst I was never a fan of Max Mosley as a person, I do get the impression that under him the FIA was at least occasionally effective, whereas under Jean Todt, alll they are doing is fiddling/freezing helmet designs while Rome burns.
And Merc have built a corker seemingly yes. But the €€€ that's been spent doing so is hardly in the spirit of keeping costs down. Or even vaguely reasonable!
An extract from one of the links above....
Vettel set a new F1 record on Sunday for number of consecutive victories in one season with his eighth in a row.
Horner, however, feels the critics should focus more on Red Bull's rivals for not doing a good enough job.
"We compete in a championship to the same regulations as all the others," said Horner.
"So, we do the best job we can and then we measure ourselves against our opponents every couple of weeks. It is not down to us to help the others to succeed.
"Our focus is very much on ourselves to improve, and we will look at every grand prix to see where we can do better, where can we improve - operationally, technically, with reliability or from the drivers.
"We don't feel in any way bad about the fact we have done a lot of winning, and it never gets boring because what you have to remember are the days when we were not winning.
Vettel set a new F1 record on Sunday for number of consecutive victories in one season with his eighth in a row.
Horner, however, feels the critics should focus more on Red Bull's rivals for not doing a good enough job.
"We compete in a championship to the same regulations as all the others," said Horner.
"So, we do the best job we can and then we measure ourselves against our opponents every couple of weeks. It is not down to us to help the others to succeed.
"Our focus is very much on ourselves to improve, and we will look at every grand prix to see where we can do better, where can we improve - operationally, technically, with reliability or from the drivers.
"We don't feel in any way bad about the fact we have done a lot of winning, and it never gets boring because what you have to remember are the days when we were not winning.
Gaz. said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
The deficit between Merc and the other teams, off the back of the Aus GP, would appear to be a real gulf. Way bigger than RBR ever had over others. You can begin to understand why Massa was publicly scratching his head about the difference.
Have a look at the Singapore GP:http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2013/09/22/2013-singapo...
After the safety car on lap 30 Vettel pulls out a 30 second lead by lap 42, pits and then pulls out another 33 second lead by lap 60. 3rd place was 44 seconds behind at the flag- in 15 laps.
Swervin_Mervin said:
But the €€€ that's been spent doing so is hardly in the spirit of keeping costs down. Or even vaguely reasonable!
Based on 2014 budgets that were published by BBC Red Bull and Ferrari spent far more than Mercedes did!1. Red Bull and Ferrari- £250m
2. Mercedes and McLaren - £200m
3. Lotus - £130m
4. Williams, Force India, Toro Rosso and Sauber - £100m
5. Marussia - £70m
Not syaing these are accurant, all over the web you'll find differnt figures : https://infogr.am/team-f1-2014-budget-and-employee...
but all seem to follow the same pattern
6. Caterham - £60m
andburg said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
But the €€€ that's been spent doing so is hardly in the spirit of keeping costs down. Or even vaguely reasonable!
Based on 2014 budgets that were published by BBC Red Bull and Ferrari spent far more than Mercedes did!1. Red Bull and Ferrari- £250m
2. Mercedes and McLaren - £200m
3. Lotus - £130m
4. Williams, Force India, Toro Rosso and Sauber - £100m
5. Marussia - £70m
Not syaing these are accurant, all over the web you'll find diffewhrnt figures : https://infogr.am/team-f1-2014-budget-and-employee...
but all seem to follow the same pattern
6. Caterham - £60m
If you look at the Mercedes F1 accounts you see that in 2013 the running costs pf the engine shop were £133.9m and the team cost £190.7m. So the running costs for the year were more like £325m.
That said, I don't know what the Renault engine plant costs to run, but I'd be surprised if it's materially different to the Mercedes one, and I'd be surprised if that's included in the RB £250m costs quoted above.
Swervin_Mervin said:
Gaz. said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
The deficit between Merc and the other teams, off the back of the Aus GP, would appear to be a real gulf. Way bigger than RBR ever had over others. You can begin to understand why Massa was publicly scratching his head about the difference.
Have a look at the Singapore GP:http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2013/09/22/2013-singapo...
After the safety car on lap 30 Vettel pulls out a 30 second lead by lap 42, pits and then pulls out another 33 second lead by lap 60. 3rd place was 44 seconds behind at the flag- in 15 laps.
Just read Will Buxton's blog about Red Bull wanting to quit. https://willthef1journo.wordpress.com/2015/03/20/r...
The bit I found pertinent for this topic is that apparently Red Bull faired so much worse than Red Bull in Oz because they forced Renault to run parts that hadn't been tested and Renault were reluctant to run.
I don't recall seeing that reported elsewhere.
The bit I found pertinent for this topic is that apparently Red Bull faired so much worse than Red Bull in Oz because they forced Renault to run parts that hadn't been tested and Renault were reluctant to run.
I don't recall seeing that reported elsewhere.
Swervin_Mervin said:
Did you see a different race to me? The one I watched saw the Ferrari finish 30s behind the Mercs. 30s! They might have improved but unless they've a lot in reserve (which I imagine the Mercs have as well anyway) then there's little chance they'll push Merc this year.
The deficit between Merc and the other teams, off the back of the Aus GP, would appear to be a real gulf. Way bigger than RBR ever had over others. You can begin to understand why Massa was publicly scratching his head about the difference.
I didn't say Ferrari were up for beating Merc though The deficit between Merc and the other teams, off the back of the Aus GP, would appear to be a real gulf. Way bigger than RBR ever had over others. You can begin to understand why Massa was publicly scratching his head about the difference.
But they did finish ahead of the rest of the pack. They do that consistently and reliably and if merc have issues they win by default.All due respect to Massa, hes a driver not a technician. Its clear Mercs whole package works from driver, to engine, to aero right down to the tyres, where as the Williams has way way less to spend and understandably haven't got the full package like merc have (drivers included imoa)
Durzel said:
spats said:
Yes it would be harder to swallow if the driver lineup didn't include a Brit.
A telling statement I think. If Vettel were in this car, having moved from RBR to them and had continued dominating I'm sure people would be singing a completely different tune.Doink said:
An extract from one of the links above....
Vettel set a new F1 record on Sunday for number of consecutive victories in one season with his eighth in a row.
Horner, however, feels the critics should focus more on Red Bull's rivals for not doing a good enough job.
"We compete in a championship to the same regulations as all the others," said Horner.
"So, we do the best job we can and then we measure ourselves against our opponents every couple of weeks. It is not down to us to help the others to succeed.
"Our focus is very much on ourselves to improve, and we will look at every grand prix to see where we can do better, where can we improve - operationally, technically, with reliability or from the drivers.
"We don't feel in any way bad about the fact we have done a lot of winning, and it never gets boring because what you have to remember are the days when we were not winning.
Surely he has to be regretting some of these now!Vettel set a new F1 record on Sunday for number of consecutive victories in one season with his eighth in a row.
Horner, however, feels the critics should focus more on Red Bull's rivals for not doing a good enough job.
"We compete in a championship to the same regulations as all the others," said Horner.
"So, we do the best job we can and then we measure ourselves against our opponents every couple of weeks. It is not down to us to help the others to succeed.
"Our focus is very much on ourselves to improve, and we will look at every grand prix to see where we can do better, where can we improve - operationally, technically, with reliability or from the drivers.
"We don't feel in any way bad about the fact we have done a lot of winning, and it never gets boring because what you have to remember are the days when we were not winning.
Sniff Petrol at it again 
F1 Team bosses demand fairness.
Rival F1 team bosses have today issued an extraordinary request to be allowed to spend the night with Christian Horner’s fiancé.
The remarkable ‘indecent proposal’ follows Horner’s complaints about the disparity in performance between Mercedes and other engines, including the Renault MalheureusementTech unit used by Red Bull. ‘You don’t hear Christian complaining about how many Spice Girls he gets to see in the buff do you?’ grumbled one anonymous team principal. ‘Well the rest of us aren’t happy about it and we believe the FIA should intervene to level the playing field between those of us who get to bump their bits against a Wannabe hit maker and those of us who don’t’.
The disgruntled team bosses have yet to outline how exactly they would implement a plan to ensure everyone had a fair crack at getting jiggy with a Spice Girl, especially since it might require buy-in from other former members of the hit girl group. ‘We’d definitely look at getting in the other Spice Girls, for the good of the sport,’ said one insider. ‘And dividing them up could be easier than you think, especially as Peter Sauber said he’d even consider an evening of zig-a-zig-ah with Sporty Spice and ‘wouldn’t kick her out of bed for singing one of her solo records’.’
The efforts to divide Spice Girls between team bosses in the name of ‘fairness’ is further simplified by the exemption of Claire Williams, who wasn’t part of discussions as she was hosting a charity bake sale that day, and Monisha Kaltenborn, who should not be allowed near any ‘90s pop stars in case she accidentally promises them a drive.
F1 Team bosses demand fairness.
Rival F1 team bosses have today issued an extraordinary request to be allowed to spend the night with Christian Horner’s fiancé.
The remarkable ‘indecent proposal’ follows Horner’s complaints about the disparity in performance between Mercedes and other engines, including the Renault MalheureusementTech unit used by Red Bull. ‘You don’t hear Christian complaining about how many Spice Girls he gets to see in the buff do you?’ grumbled one anonymous team principal. ‘Well the rest of us aren’t happy about it and we believe the FIA should intervene to level the playing field between those of us who get to bump their bits against a Wannabe hit maker and those of us who don’t’.
The disgruntled team bosses have yet to outline how exactly they would implement a plan to ensure everyone had a fair crack at getting jiggy with a Spice Girl, especially since it might require buy-in from other former members of the hit girl group. ‘We’d definitely look at getting in the other Spice Girls, for the good of the sport,’ said one insider. ‘And dividing them up could be easier than you think, especially as Peter Sauber said he’d even consider an evening of zig-a-zig-ah with Sporty Spice and ‘wouldn’t kick her out of bed for singing one of her solo records’.’
The efforts to divide Spice Girls between team bosses in the name of ‘fairness’ is further simplified by the exemption of Claire Williams, who wasn’t part of discussions as she was hosting a charity bake sale that day, and Monisha Kaltenborn, who should not be allowed near any ‘90s pop stars in case she accidentally promises them a drive.
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