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Unfortunately it appears we ahve a period of domination . Just like the Schumacher/Fiat years.
They put me off F1 for some seasons , if Mercedes are going to replicate such , then I'm off.
Will watch the next 3 races, and if matters stay the same, then its dominoes on Sundays.
Yes, there can be some good stuff down the order, but I just cannot be arsed.
They put me off F1 for some seasons , if Mercedes are going to replicate such , then I'm off.
Will watch the next 3 races, and if matters stay the same, then its dominoes on Sundays.
Yes, there can be some good stuff down the order, but I just cannot be arsed.
Esseesse said:
Doink said:
But if you open up testing you open it up to Mercedes as well so everyone moves forward the same...
Indeed, but not necessarily the same. Do the laws of diminishing returns not ever apply?Cheese Mechanic said:
Unfortunately it appears we ahve a period of domination . Just like the Schumacher/Fiat years.
They put me off F1 for some seasons , if Mercedes are going to replicate such , then I'm off.
Will watch the next 3 races, and if matters stay the same, then its dominoes on Sundays.
Yes, there can be some good stuff down the order, but I just cannot be arsed.
At least Mercedes let their drivers race each other. Last year's championship still came down to the last race, does it really matter if both drivers competing are in the same team? They put me off F1 for some seasons , if Mercedes are going to replicate such , then I'm off.
Will watch the next 3 races, and if matters stay the same, then its dominoes on Sundays.
Yes, there can be some good stuff down the order, but I just cannot be arsed.
el stovey said:
Esseesse said:
Doink said:
But if you open up testing you open it up to Mercedes as well so everyone moves forward the same...
Indeed, but not necessarily the same. Do the laws of diminishing returns not ever apply?Speaking of personality, will we ever see something like this again?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detai...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detai...
upsidedownmark said:
Might I suggest that NASCAR might be more your cup of tea? Engines that would not look out of place in a 1950's truck, easily understandable (just turn left), lots of noise and pretty much all basic stuff..
There's more to life than looking pretty and making a lot of noise. Plenty of awe left in formula 1 if you're willing to pay attention and engage more than 2 brain cells; the engineering ingenuity and the complexity of what is going on is phenomenal. Always has / will be an engineer in my led formula until they make it a spec series, which will be a crying shame.
This.There's more to life than looking pretty and making a lot of noise. Plenty of awe left in formula 1 if you're willing to pay attention and engage more than 2 brain cells; the engineering ingenuity and the complexity of what is going on is phenomenal. Always has / will be an engineer in my led formula until they make it a spec series, which will be a crying shame.
I'm struggling to understand why its taken 4 years for the OP to post this.
At least we have a two car race rather than the Vettel show.
Each to their own, I get that. I will never stop watching F1 as I like all aspects of the sport (excluding the heat magazine bulls
t about hairstyles that some people seem to enjoy focusing on).
What I would like to see however is appreciable (staggered) points given for the top 10 (Q3) qualifiers and then reverse the top 10 grid places for the race.
t about hairstyles that some people seem to enjoy focusing on). What I would like to see however is appreciable (staggered) points given for the top 10 (Q3) qualifiers and then reverse the top 10 grid places for the race.
Things to note from the first race:
1. Vettel just doesn't look right in Ferrari colours, and in the interviews you can see fear etched on his face - should he ever say something wrong that might trigger a 'horses head' moment.
2. They really (no - REALLY) do need to get rid of these 1.6 engines and go back to the 2.4 V8's. Even if the race is boring, at least you've got the engines to listen to. F1 should be the blood-and-guts pinnacle of power, speed and noise - not an advert for the Green Party.
3. Suzi Perry looked quite tidy.
4. Lewis's gold chain looked quite silly.
5. Arnold Schwarzenegger was the most entertaining part of the afternoon.
6. I feel we must say a few words for the poor milkman who's round happens to pass the Honda factory. On Friday morning last week his milkfloat was rendered useless when it's power plant was stolen, only to be mysteriously returned the following Monday afternoon. Anybody with any information should call Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111. All calls will be treated in the strictest condfidence.
7. Fernando Alonso must be considering staying on the sick for the rest of the season.
1. Vettel just doesn't look right in Ferrari colours, and in the interviews you can see fear etched on his face - should he ever say something wrong that might trigger a 'horses head' moment.
2. They really (no - REALLY) do need to get rid of these 1.6 engines and go back to the 2.4 V8's. Even if the race is boring, at least you've got the engines to listen to. F1 should be the blood-and-guts pinnacle of power, speed and noise - not an advert for the Green Party.
3. Suzi Perry looked quite tidy.
4. Lewis's gold chain looked quite silly.
5. Arnold Schwarzenegger was the most entertaining part of the afternoon.
6. I feel we must say a few words for the poor milkman who's round happens to pass the Honda factory. On Friday morning last week his milkfloat was rendered useless when it's power plant was stolen, only to be mysteriously returned the following Monday afternoon. Anybody with any information should call Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111. All calls will be treated in the strictest condfidence.
7. Fernando Alonso must be considering staying on the sick for the rest of the season.
OK, there are many many things that can be done to 'fix' F1
There are many more things that many people would like to change, or revert to
Here's one simple idea.... which is open to discussion and piss take
the more points you score in a championship... the less tokens you get to improve your engine next year
It seems that whoever comes into the season with the right package, especially the engine... gets to win everything until the next 'all new' formula comes along in several years time.
With engine development frozen other than tokens... Mercedes have been gifted several years worth of championships.
Well done Merc for making such a good engine and a good car to put it in, it just isnt fair that others have so little hope of catching up.
There are many more things that many people would like to change, or revert to
Here's one simple idea.... which is open to discussion and piss take
the more points you score in a championship... the less tokens you get to improve your engine next year
It seems that whoever comes into the season with the right package, especially the engine... gets to win everything until the next 'all new' formula comes along in several years time.
With engine development frozen other than tokens... Mercedes have been gifted several years worth of championships.
Well done Merc for making such a good engine and a good car to put it in, it just isnt fair that others have so little hope of catching up.
aeropilot said:
upsidedownmark said:
Might I suggest that NASCAR might be more your cup of tea? Engines that would not look out of place in a 1950's truck, easily understandable (just turn left), lots of noise and pretty much all basic stuff..
Shows how much you know about NASCAR.... 
aeropilot said:
upsidedownmark said:
Plenty of awe left in formula 1 if you're willing to pay attention and engage more than 2 brain cells; the engineering ingenuity and the complexity of what is going on is phenomenal.
It should be the pinnacle of motor RACING not a techno geek-fest pinnacle.Sadly, the two are not compatible, and often the best motor racing is found in the least geek-fest formulas/categories.
(and F1 in particular). Motor racing was always about engineering superiority, and never about an equalised performance 'show' - an idea that has only really crept in in relatively recent times. You are correct however that if your personal aesthetic demands a pure driver on driver, no-engineering competition, you best head for the lower formulae, spec series or karting. Personally I don't see why everything should have to be brought down to the lowest common denominator, to be understood by every drooling idiot without thought. The current state isn't perfect, but it is far from a joke - (Go back to Ballestre if you want a joke).
Gaz. said:
Conian said:
OK, there are many many things that can be done to 'fix' F1
There are many more things that many people would like to change, or revert to
Here's one simple idea.... which is open to discussion and piss take
the more points you score in a championship... the less tokens you get to improve your engine next year
It seems that whoever comes into the season with the right package, especially the engine... gets to win everything until the next 'all new' formula comes along in several years time.
With engine development frozen other than tokens... Mercedes have been gifted several years worth of championships.
Well done Merc for making such a good engine and a good car to put it in, it just isnt fair that others have so little hope of catching up.
RBR came 2nd last year, STR barely scored points, and Lotus not many more, and Caterham none, how many tokens does Renault get to develop that engine that powerd all four teams?There are many more things that many people would like to change, or revert to
Here's one simple idea.... which is open to discussion and piss take
the more points you score in a championship... the less tokens you get to improve your engine next year
It seems that whoever comes into the season with the right package, especially the engine... gets to win everything until the next 'all new' formula comes along in several years time.
With engine development frozen other than tokens... Mercedes have been gifted several years worth of championships.
Well done Merc for making such a good engine and a good car to put it in, it just isnt fair that others have so little hope of catching up.
If Merc can't spend tokens because they have won a championship, Force India may as well give up now, it was attrition that kept them in the mix on Sunday.
The rules are exactly the same for every team, and despite RBR stropping they have not been able to protest a single component on the Merc. The FRIC ban barely affected the W05 because the chassis was the class of the field and the gap increased further.
The engines are far from frozen, 80% can be changed so it's a hell of a lot closer to a clean sheet redesign than the frozen V8's that were supposed to be locked from 2007-2013 despite the Renault lump being updated constantly.
Renault and Sauber pushed for this formula and the teams discussed and agreed the rules over a period of 7 years so no one can say "we didn't know". Even Ferrari whose old governor once said "aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines" asked Renault if they were really f
king sure they wanted these rules as late as August 2013 and protested as loudly as possible against these V6T-H's. They knew Daimler had 250,000 employees and had experts in every single department scattered around the globe and would melt the credit card to pay for it.Every track last year Mercedes dominated, in the pissing rain of Japan the best chassis moved towards the front and the dogs went backwards and the Mercedes waltzed away. There weren't many speed traps that Mercedes topped last year and those that they did were preceded by a billy big b
ks corner where aero is king, as proved by RBR's GPS data traces of the Mercs. I remember in 2013 when Pirelli started the season with those VERY fragile rear tyres and CH was b
hing because he couldn't use all the downforce available to him and lobbying for the 2012 rears to be brought back. a few teams jumped on the band wagon and got them back on safety grounds. Paul Hembrey pointed out that the tyres were failing because the teams we running them in the wrong direction and if the 2012 tyres were brought back No one would catch the redbulls. He was proved correct as well, nobody else won a race that year.In my opinion the real reason F1 has gone down the pan in recent years is they give too much control to the teams. in other sports rules are written and teams read them and decide if they want to play by them, then if holes in the rules are found they are fixed, but not by asking the current participants what they think should be done, but by watching the show and taking the reaction of the supporters to improve the situation.
There will always be F1, by nature humans like to compete, the FIA should develop a set of rules that THEY are happy with and if 90% of the grid don't like it and throw their toys out their prams, so what , let them go. There WILL be others.
thegreenhell said:
That assumes that there is one special trick employed on the Mercedes car that can easily be banned to remove that advantage, and not that they've just managed to nail every aspect of the car/engine package better than everyone else. If it's the latter, how do you equalise things without applying different rules to one team than the others?
Success ballast, or a fuel penalty.I'd also have a rule that teams at the front of the championship have to pay to make improvements to the car during the season, e.g. if you're first in the constructors championship it's a million quid to change the front wing - the money going to the teams of the back of the championship to spend on developing their cars. This might tighten up the grid.
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