Alonso ...grass is greener
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coetzeeh said:
Fernando is thinking - "I earn more than any other driver in F 1"
"It softens the pain of having to develop this car"
I wonder how much development they're having to do on the car though? engine aside, and admittedly they've not had it running at full chat which I'm sure is a different ball game, it's been said the car is good to drive. The current rate of progress would suggest podiums mid season?"It softens the pain of having to develop this car"
Edited by coetzeeh on Wednesday 1st April 11:42
Think Freds 'rage face' might explode if he bags a win in it this year.
marshall100 said:
I wonder how much development they're having to do on the car though? engine aside, and admittedly they've not had it running at full chat which I'm sure is a different ball game, it's been said the car is good to drive. The current rate of progress would suggest podiums mid season?
Think Freds 'rage face' might explode if he bags a win in it this year.
hmmm not sure. As Martin said, when you drive a car under powered it feels great, so all this the chassis is great may not be true once they get going. tyre usage etc will all come in.Think Freds 'rage face' might explode if he bags a win in it this year.
rumour also had it that the Honda requires a major redesign of a part of the engine, and this will soak up tokens without gainging much performance. Maybe they can get it passed on reliability grounds but not great when you need a major part redesign.
if that is true don't expect the upwards curve to last long, who knows.
I would bet in a few races they will be getting points but then the gains will become harder to get at and many more lunched honda F1 engines will start happening.
BlackpoolRock said:
hora said:
How many times has a new engine come into F1 in modern times and won races in their first season?
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Mercedes & Renault both had brand new engines last year and both won. Honda have also been working on their V6 since 2013. ...
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ash73 said:
Complete waste of talent, imo. I was hoping he might join Williams, but they seem to have gone backwards a bit too 
Williams have improved performance wise but Ferrari have made a bigger leap.Red Bull have gone from second best to fourth or fifth best time as it standards while Williams stayed the same relatively position wise.
Bowler said:
PHers who are old enough will remember the TV interviews with George Best and the story he used to trot out about the bed covered in cash, Miss World sat there and the “where did it all go wrong, George” comment from the concierge.
Somehow I think this will be Alonso - In a couple of years, he’ll retire with an incomprehensible amount of money and "only" 2 World titles to his name and we’ll all collectively say “only if”
Well, we all live and die by our decisions in life. Yeah, right! - Fred’s already laughing his way to Santander (Cayman Branch) as we speak, and Ronda are funding his retirement which has already started….. As has been said before “The Woking Wallet Thief” (allegedly…..)
Pride,legacy,hierarchy, status etc..... Never mind the bullsSomehow I think this will be Alonso - In a couple of years, he’ll retire with an incomprehensible amount of money and "only" 2 World titles to his name and we’ll all collectively say “only if”
Well, we all live and die by our decisions in life. Yeah, right! - Fred’s already laughing his way to Santander (Cayman Branch) as we speak, and Ronda are funding his retirement which has already started….. As has been said before “The Woking Wallet Thief” (allegedly…..)
t Alonso hates what happened at McLaren first time round, HE was supposed to be the big thing in F1 post Schumacher, not Hamilton. Bit unprofessional of Dennis with his disparaging remarks of Hamilton, totally uncalled for tbh. revrange said:
hmmm not sure. As Martin said, when you drive a car under powered it feels great, so all this the chassis is great may not be true once they get going. tyre usage etc will all come in.
Last year's RBR was underpowered but the car itself was reckoned to be brilliant. If only it had a PU to match the Mercs...In Oz Jenson remarked the baseline aero was well balanced which augs well for development because Jenson reckons there's a lot more potential.
Last year was a nightmare. It suffered from aero stall. There's only so much DF you can add that it won't generate DF hence stalling.
coetzeeh said:
I wonder if the new FIA guidance re measurement of fuel pressure had anything to do with the "reduced" performance not only of Merc (they were still quick) but also Williams and FI?
The new rule/guidance is effective from China IIRC.
If the rule isn't effective until china you can be sure if anything was going on would still have been going on. They wouldn't remove any advantage until they had to.The new rule/guidance is effective from China IIRC.
Hot weather and tyres...simple as that.
markcoznottz said:
Pride,legacy,hierarchy, status etc..... Never mind the bullst Alonso hates what happened at McLaren first time round, HE was supposed to be the big thing in F1 post Schumacher, not Hamilton. Bit unprofessional of Dennis with his disparaging remarks of Hamilton, totally uncalled for tbh.
Exactly, what is the difference between 100 million and 200 million to someone driven by pride and ego ? t Alonso hates what happened at McLaren first time round, HE was supposed to be the big thing in F1 post Schumacher, not Hamilton. Bit unprofessional of Dennis with his disparaging remarks of Hamilton, totally uncalled for tbh. Alonso got beaten by Lewis to everyone's surprise, read the 2006>2007 threads with most people worrying that Ron was going to burn his great talent by putting him up against a 2x WDC...
FA Will not be lounging around on a bed of Euros with Miss World laughing about it all and if he has any cash stacked in Santander Cayman he may well join the great and good of Spain in Jail for tax evasion. Members of the Royal Family, ruling PP Party etc will be his bedfellows.
998420 said:
markcoznottz said:
Pride,legacy,hierarchy, status etc..... Never mind the bullst Alonso hates what happened at McLaren first time round, HE was supposed to be the big thing in F1 post Schumacher, not Hamilton. Bit unprofessional of Dennis with his disparaging remarks of Hamilton, totally uncalled for tbh.
Exactly, what is the difference between 100 million and 200 million to someone driven by pride and ego ? t Alonso hates what happened at McLaren first time round, HE was supposed to be the big thing in F1 post Schumacher, not Hamilton. Bit unprofessional of Dennis with his disparaging remarks of Hamilton, totally uncalled for tbh. Alonso got beaten by Lewis to everyone's surprise, read the 2006>2007 threads with most people worrying that Ron was going to burn his great talent by putting him up against a 2x WDC...
FA Will not be lounging around on a bed of Euros with Miss World laughing about it all and if he has any cash stacked in Santander Cayman he may well join the great and good of Spain in Jail for tax evasion. Members of the Royal Family, ruling PP Party etc will be his bedfellows.
markcoznottz said:
Hamilton 'shortcut' the F1 apprentiship route, even red bull starts drivers off in the torro rosso squad, see vettel for that. Schu, Senna, mansell, all served time in lesser machinery before getting thier big break. It's a bit like the bosses son going straight into a management role it doesn't go down well, I suppose we british never like a smart arse. Hamilton obviously the real deal though, regardless of never driving for a lower funded team.
Hamilton shortcut into F1? Atleast he made progression through the junior series unlike some drivers who jump into F1 5 minutes after finishing with go-karts with a hand full of podiums under their beltDisastrous said:
I thought Alonso wasn't given much option about leaving?
My understanding was that the relationship with the Scuderia had soured to a point where Mattiacci basically left him no option. Of course that can take many forms from him simply calling Alonso's bluff on some demand or other to straight-up asking him to leave but I certainly got the impression that staying at Ferrari wasn't really an option either way.
Either way, he'd be mad to dwell on it. It's in the past and his job is to try and build a competitive Mclaren team now.
It's a sad impression to get. It was pure fantasy from the haters that Alonso was sacked.My understanding was that the relationship with the Scuderia had soured to a point where Mattiacci basically left him no option. Of course that can take many forms from him simply calling Alonso's bluff on some demand or other to straight-up asking him to leave but I certainly got the impression that staying at Ferrari wasn't really an option either way.
Either way, he'd be mad to dwell on it. It's in the past and his job is to try and build a competitive Mclaren team now.
Allison tried to pursued Fernando to stay.
"I explained to him that things would change, that the new car was good, the gap would decrease, that staying with us made sense. But he was too disillusioned by then," Allison explained.
"I was the tenth person that had said it to him -- he had heard it for years and no longer believed it."
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns30786.html
RobGT81 said:
Chances of him being in WEC next season?
Maybe if no signs of improvement are coming.I have heard it for years in F1, wait for this upgrade package comes, we develop a part every 8 seconds, is the famous Mclaren claim. But most of these packages give marginal benefit.
To be honest they have made a step with the new upgrade package, but a) so has everyone else b) the engine package is very unreliable.
revrange said:
RobGT81 said:
Chances of him being in WEC next season?
Maybe if no signs of improvement are coming.I have heard it for years in F1, wait for this upgrade package comes, we develop a part every 8 seconds, is the famous Mclaren claim. But most of these packages give marginal benefit.
To be honest they have made a step with the new upgrade package, but a) so has everyone else b) the engine package is very unreliable.
Spanish GP: Jenson Button experiences scariest laps of his life
Jenson Button said his McLaren was "scary" to drive and does not expect to score a point in 2015.
The 2009 world champion finished 16th at the Spanish Grand Prix, ahead only of the back-of-the-grid Manor cars.
"The first 30 laps were the scariest of my life," Button said.
"Every time I touched the throttle at any speed, the rear was just gone. It wasn't normal. In low-speed corners it was just slow, but high speed, very scary."
He doesn't expect to score a point this season...............
Alonso is not my favourite driver...I still do not believe Alonso knew nothing about the deliberate crash ( read cheating ) during his Renault days so he could win the race, he is a Teflon coated moaning little man inside a huge ego and spits the dummy when he's not winning...ha bloody ha.
I hope Button rips him for arse paper this year.
I hope Button rips him for arse paper this year.
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