Has Lewis broken Nico?
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Whilst I don't think Rosberg is "broken" in any way, I do wonder how he'll react by driving a superb race yesterday, aggressive and fast, but still Hamilton was completely out of reach.
In the previous 3 races, he didn't drive that well for him, so psychologically there was a reason to be beaten, but to then do a storming job and yet still get tonked, that has to hurt.
Here's hoping he gets back on terms with Hamilton, it'd be good to see him put under pressure again.
In the previous 3 races, he didn't drive that well for him, so psychologically there was a reason to be beaten, but to then do a storming job and yet still get tonked, that has to hurt.
Here's hoping he gets back on terms with Hamilton, it'd be good to see him put under pressure again.
IforB said:
In the previous 3 races, he didn't drive that well for him, so psychologically there was a reason to be beaten, but to then do a storming job and yet still get tonked, that has to hurt.
Just what I was thinking. To do badly and get beaten is one thing, but to do your absolute best and know that there was nothing left to give but still get beaten ... paradoxically, Rosberg's best race of the season must also be thought of (from a psychological viewpoint at least) as his worst.Chimune said:
I must admit, I wasnt expecting to see such a positive Nico during his BBC post race interview. I know they are trained to be 'upbeat', but he didn't look bothered at all !
I bet he is......
Interesting.. I saw that rather differently; thought it was pretty much a shot in the arm for Nico. He got slightly done at the start, then outdone on strategy, sure - but despite that he raced hard and well and came out on top car-on-car (which is generally thought to be his weakness). I did wince a bit when he outbraked himself in front of Kimi, but apparently that was down to a brake by wire failure, so on the whole I reckon he ought to walk away from that with considerably more confidence.I bet he is......
(and for the record, I'm far more of a lewis fan than a nico fan..)
Yes I think he is probably more upbeat knowing that he actually ran a good race yesterday. Main reason he didn't come second was the brakes. I think he was catching Lewis at some point after the first round of pitstops So overall he probably feels that he's not that far away but needs a tiny bit of luck
Chimune said:
I must admit, I wasnt expecting to see such a positive Nico during his BBC post race interview. I know they are trained to be 'upbeat', but he didn't look bothered at all !
I bet he is......
I saw it as a man resigned to the fact that he cannot beat Lewis and will be content with finishing #2 in the WDC. Once you accept your limitations, you can be content.I bet he is......
longblackcoat said:
Lewis Hamilton said:
“My Dad said in the first year we spent £20,000. He put my step-mum’s life savings, his life savings and re-mortgaged the house just for that year,” he added
“It’s a huge gamble and it’s a huge commitment. A lot of people do that and don’t get the end result I did.
“My Dad and Linda just gave up their idea of going shopping and getting things like nice new clothes and all the things women do, to keep me racing.
“She would be in the back of this box trailer next to a gas fire sitting with my brother on her lap, and a pot of Noor chicken noodle. It was the best. We had it every race weekend.”
I asked if he realised at the time, the scale of the gamble.
“I was eight. I didn’t know what money was. I found some money under the counter at the store a couple times and I would use it to buy sweets!”
“It’s a huge gamble and it’s a huge commitment. A lot of people do that and don’t get the end result I did.
“My Dad and Linda just gave up their idea of going shopping and getting things like nice new clothes and all the things women do, to keep me racing.
“She would be in the back of this box trailer next to a gas fire sitting with my brother on her lap, and a pot of Noor chicken noodle. It was the best. We had it every race weekend.”
I asked if he realised at the time, the scale of the gamble.
“I was eight. I didn’t know what money was. I found some money under the counter at the store a couple times and I would use it to buy sweets!”
Saturday was the last match of the season and my youngest, the captain, after a really hard fought win against a thuggish side, and I had a cuddle afterwards where he thanked me for following him all season, and for the last 14 years.
He played for county for various age groups, and we took him all over the 'south' of England; for England, and we took him to play against Scotland and Wales sides; and he needed funding for a tour to Australia and New Zealand, a once in a lifetime experience for a lad, and then a tour of Australia the following year. It cost us a fair bit of money, a couple of cars expired under the pressure of such long journeys, not to mention overnight stays and such. (On one hurried return from Wales I hammered it and got a fraction over 17mpg.) I've never quantified the cost to us. No point really. But it meant that neither my wife nor I could do a job that paid decent money. So take the salary of a PA, and that of a security guard I suppose, and add that up.
Once, after a weekend away 'oop narth' we came back on Monday morning and just slept in chairs until 4pm. We both though we'd not get to sleep that night, but come 10pm we just flopped into bed and woke up normal time in the morning.
Then, when he got into an ambitious team, we went all over the south of England again, and into Wales once, on away matches. From Devon to the crossing the Seven, from Thanet to Rugby. And beyond.
My wife and I loved every minute of it. We'd do it again. The thrill of shouting out 'come on England' as your lad leads his team out onto a foreign field, well Wales anyway, makes you choke up. I'd have spent more. I've stood in rain, I've swept the lines of snow, I've videoed matches for county where my breath froze on the camera controls so I could not zoom in.
Great times. Great memories.
So it is not all selfless sacrifice. I had a choice, as did my wife, and we opted to do what we did for our reasons. Most parents would have done. We met with lots of other parents, doing the same thing, week in, week out, and most, if not all, were thrilled to do it.
My lad never got the breaks (that's another story - some outrageous behaviour by officials) that would have meant him going onto greater things, such as the premiership, which he was quite capable of doing, but on balance I'm not disappointed, given that he still plays, still enjoys it and still is tested. The two that did go further have not, perhaps, had their dreams fulfilled.
As I say, not knocking Hamilton's parents. But many do similar stuff, even while knowing that their kids' dreams of making it big time will not materialise.
Just saying that it is not unusual for such sacrifices to be made. We were friendly with the mother of a team mate of my lad whose father took a plane from Scotland to London, then hired a car to drive a few miles north for a qualifying match, only for a chemical fire to stop the match.
All racing drivers believe they are the fastest, the best, that they would be World Champions if they had the same tyres, chassis, engine, shoes, whatever as the top guy. Then they end up in a team with a guy who has exactly the same tyres, chassis, engine, etc. as they do and they can't touch him. Often their egos cannot cope with the reality. E.g. Alonso and Hamilton, Fred storms off saying Lewis is running the team (or whatever). Senna and Prost etc. there are very few examples where both egos have emerged undamaged. Perhaps Button and Hamilton? It was an odd season where they actually "appeared" to get on and although Lewis came out on top he did not "destroy" Jensen like he is Nico. I cannot imagine a third season of Nico and Lewis either Nico will get to Lewis politically or Nico's ego will require a "new challenge".
In answer to the original question, yes, Lewis pwns Nico.
In answer to the original question, yes, Lewis pwns Nico.
Chimune said:
I must admit, I wasnt expecting to see such a positive Nico during his BBC post race interview. I know they are trained to be 'upbeat', but he didn't look bothered at all !
I bet he is......
It's classic Kubler-Ross Grief Cycle: Anger followed by Denial, Depression the Acceptance. It's not until we reach acceptance that you can settle down in to some sort of normality.I bet he is......
Problem is, normal last year was that LH was the faster driver but not always the best, this year, he seems to have hit the sweet spot of being both.
ash73 said:
Nico's interaction with the media has been shaky recently, but I was impressed with his racing this weekend. Lewis is having an incredible run of form, the cars are reliable (Merc gremlins only permitted now in practice sessions or the final lap) and there are "equality" rules within the team forcing them to use the same strategy.
All Nico can do is hang on to his coat tails, at the moment Lewis has the upper hand psychologically because it hasn't worked, but I remember him pirouetting 500m off the track last year and not hitting *anything* and doing the same earlier in the year on a wet track and missing a wall by an inch; at some point his luck will turn.
It is a strange thing with Nico, isn't it. He can't seem to say the right thing. Spa last year was a classic. All Nico can do is hang on to his coat tails, at the moment Lewis has the upper hand psychologically because it hasn't worked, but I remember him pirouetting 500m off the track last year and not hitting *anything* and doing the same earlier in the year on a wet track and missing a wall by an inch; at some point his luck will turn.
The two cars, both having the same problem, within a couple of minutes of one another, suggests that Merc are pushing the limits. When Nico ran wide and complained of braking, I said to my wife that Hamilton - she's a big fan - was entirely safe. As I stopped talking he came up on the radio saying he'd got problems.
After Monaco and Spa last year I lost a lot of my respect for Nico and I don't think he's earned it back yet. He was, as you say, up for it yesterday, but even after putting in his best race performance for some time, he was still unable to challenge Hamilton. Can't be fun in his household.
I'm glad Raikk is doing well. It means we'll see more of his missus.
Much as I love my son, I'm not sure I'd bet the farm on whatever talents he might have to the extent that Ma and Pa Hamilton did. They deserve every reward.
Back to Rosberg - there are 16 races left. We aren't even a quarter of the way through the season. He has been around for long enough to know that all sorts of things can happen in 16 GPs. He will be going for it all the way. I just hope his parking space at Mirabeau isn't vacant this year.
Back to Rosberg - there are 16 races left. We aren't even a quarter of the way through the season. He has been around for long enough to know that all sorts of things can happen in 16 GPs. He will be going for it all the way. I just hope his parking space at Mirabeau isn't vacant this year.
ash73 said:
lbc said:
Hamilton is simply driving a level above everyone else this year.
Nico will need to pull something very special out of his bag to get past him.
Lewis is incredibly gifted but I think in some ways he's as much a passenger as we are, whereas Nico really has to work at it. I wish they'd fall out properly and stop sharing data, then we can see who sets the car up better. At the moment Nico's got no cards to play with; give them the same equipment and Lewis will win. He needs lady luck to swap allegiances, and soon.Nico will need to pull something very special out of his bag to get past him.
ash73 said:
Lewis is incredibly gifted but I think in some ways he's as much a passenger as we are, whereas Nico really has to work at it. I wish they'd fall out properly and stop sharing data, then we can see who sets the car up better. At the moment Nico's got no cards to play with; give them the same equipment and Lewis will win. He needs lady luck to swap allegiances, and soon.
It's a team sport and in the interests of the team to get 1/2. If stopping sharing data gets them a 1st and 4th, you've kind of shot yourself in the foot. Also Hamilton benefits from Rosbergs data (tyre deg, etc). It works both ways, and whilst it is a team sport and not an individual sport, this should remain.
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