is F1 on its knees
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DJRC said:
Blokes race. Folks want to be the fastest. That will never change nor will my fascination with it.
Do you enjoy the other fia formula races? What about Indy car, they're faster aren't they? Without all the money there won't be telecasts and awesome camera views and telementary at home. I remember the good old days when you couldn't even watch qualifying or all the races live. It was rubbish.
If all the manufacturers leave then out goes the money and sponsors and live telecasts. There might be great car racing going on somewhere but without the money, you won't see much of it.
DJRC said:
I don't care if the tracks are empty. I care nothing about the spectacle of it per se. That this racing is the fastest formula will always be enough to guarantee there will be blokes competing and it will retain a fascination for me.
You paint a vivid picture of the s
ttest sporting event conceivable.Also wrongly, as the good drivers will p
s off after the money. Otherwise they already wouldn't be in F1.Disastrous said:
DJRC said:
I don't care if the tracks are empty. I care nothing about the spectacle of it per se. That this racing is the fastest formula will always be enough to guarantee there will be blokes competing and it will retain a fascination for me.
You paint a vivid picture of the sttest sporting event conceivable.Also wrongly, as the good drivers will p
s off after the money. Otherwise they already wouldn't be in F1.As for another poster - put an Indycars round Spa. See how it compares against a GP car. Faster?
The best drivers will always good towards the fastest & most challenging formula. They have done for the last 100yrs no matter how the racing world was divided up. The fastest blokes want to drive the fastest stuff.
If the manufacturers, sponsors, money etc all disappear they won't be the fastest things because they won't have the money to build and develop the cars. Never mind have powerful engines as there'll be no big manufacturer with a budget to develop the engines.
In essence what you'd actually want is GP2 really.
In essence what you'd actually want is GP2 really.
DanielSan said:
If the manufacturers, sponsors, money etc all disappear they won't be the fastest things because they won't have the money to build and develop the cars. Never mind have powerful engines as there'll be no big manufacturer with a budget to develop the engines.
In essence what you'd actually want is GP2 really.
I'm not sure that's true.In essence what you'd actually want is GP2 really.
At the moment the power of the engines has been reduced because of the speeds of the cars. It is now a safety requirement.
Acceleration, now there's something to think about, but all that is is a mix of power, weight and traction.
moanthebairns said:
I'm sat watching the highlights of the F1 and I have to say this is one of the most boring races I have ever watched.
Now I love F1 I always watch every race even if it isn't live but this year I have nil interest. It's becoming a farce.
I got this far then stopped reading zzzz Now I love F1 I always watch every race even if it isn't live but this year I have nil interest. It's becoming a farce.
Spawn said:
moanthebairns said:
I'm sat watching the highlights of the F1 and I have to say this is one of the most boring races I have ever watched.
Now I love F1 I always watch every race even if it isn't live but this year I have nil interest. It's becoming a farce.
I got this far then stopped reading zzzz Now I love F1 I always watch every race even if it isn't live but this year I have nil interest. It's becoming a farce.
bodgerben said:
What those guys said.
F1 (and Football) is big business and entertainment, get the sponsors in to have a piss up, with something going on to amuse a large number of misguided folk who continue to convince themselves that it's sport. It's not been sport for donkeys years.
The entertainment can be good, I enjoyed watching Lewis hammer round, like Ayrton, Damon, Michael and Seb have done in the past, now't wrong with that. And some wheel to wheel racing down the field, nice little bit of entertainment going on the background on a nice Sunday afternoon.
As others have said, plenty more proper sport going on, unfortunately you need to have a keen interest and get up off your fat backside to go and find it. For us slobs, a bit of F1 entertainment can be great, boring race, nice little snooze in front of the telly. Remotely interesting race, good excuse to crack open a few.
I'm with you in general. I follow another sport (not soccer) and this season we have lost more matches than we've won. I've stood in driving rain, sleet and hailstones. I've slipped over on mud. We've gone to a remote pitch with no toilets or shelter. Yet it has been a good season.F1 (and Football) is big business and entertainment, get the sponsors in to have a piss up, with something going on to amuse a large number of misguided folk who continue to convince themselves that it's sport. It's not been sport for donkeys years.
The entertainment can be good, I enjoyed watching Lewis hammer round, like Ayrton, Damon, Michael and Seb have done in the past, now't wrong with that. And some wheel to wheel racing down the field, nice little bit of entertainment going on the background on a nice Sunday afternoon.
As others have said, plenty more proper sport going on, unfortunately you need to have a keen interest and get up off your fat backside to go and find it. For us slobs, a bit of F1 entertainment can be great, boring race, nice little snooze in front of the telly. Remotely interesting race, good excuse to crack open a few.
Last Saturday we were 26 - 8 down at half time to a team three places above us and nearly half as many points as well. Yet we won 26 - 34. Times like that make up for a bit of dampness.
Even the matches we lost by 2 points or less were bearable because there were always positives to concentrate on post match and at the time the closeness added to the excitement. A bit.
The boring ones were where we won by 50 points or more.
The same goes for F1. I'm a McLaren fan so it's not been my decade, but there's always something to stir.
I liked the accessibility of F1 of the old days. I like F1 nowadays as well. I would not be that upset if the commercial side proved to be a disaster and the money dried. If the sport needed spectators to turn up, I can't help thinking that they'd treat us a lot better.
The thing that cracks it for me is that it doesn't matter if your team/driver wins. Its the thrill of it all.
In 1966 I stood next to John Cooper while he worked on the 3-litre Maserati engine (and sighed a lot). He chatted to my dad and told me who to look out for in the race. I wouldn't mind taking my grandson to a GP and talking to the team owners just by wandering into the paddock.
ajprice said:
You are Alan Gow AICMFP!!
And he has made such a mess of BTCC.When the cash ran out, like it has in F1, he made sure that teams and drivers had a formula that people could still afford to compete in. It would have been so easy saying " well Vauxhall usually win anyway"
The ballast then ensures that lots of TV time is available for lower entrants and that fans turn out in sufficient numbers to make the series viable for the circuits. He then does a deal with ITV guaranteeing decent viewer numbers for the races and support series.
What a visionary. Just what is needed in F1 right now.
rdjohn said:
ajprice said:
You are Alan Gow AICMFP!!
And he has made such a mess of BTCC.When the cash ran out, like it has in F1, he made sure that teams and drivers had a formula that people could still afford to compete in. It would have been so easy saying " well Vauxhall usually win anyway"
The ballast then ensures that lots of TV time is available for lower entrants and that fans turn out in sufficient numbers to make the series viable for the circuits. He then does a deal with ITV guaranteeing decent viewer numbers for the races and support series.
What a visionary. Just what is needed in F1 right now.
moanthebairns said:
it will be a shadow of its former self unless they act now.
It already IS a shadow of it's former self.I used to get excited sitting down to watch F1. Even just to hear those beautiful screaming engines. But now I don't even watch the highlights. I've followed F1 since the mid 80's and todays offerings are a watered down version of the 80's/90's.
caduceus said:
It already IS a shadow of it's former self.
I used to get excited sitting down to watch F1. Even just to hear those beautiful screaming engines. But now I don't even watch the highlights. I've followed F1 since the mid 80's and todays offerings are a watered down version of the 80's/90's.
Congratulations, you've got older and have different priorities in your life. I used to get excited sitting down to watch F1. Even just to hear those beautiful screaming engines. But now I don't even watch the highlights. I've followed F1 since the mid 80's and todays offerings are a watered down version of the 80's/90's.
Still got those rose tinted specs I see.
caduceus said:
What a ridiculous assumption. Congratulations on demonstrating your character.
Not at all...it's just me demonstrating the nonsense that the 80s/90s was somehow amazing compared to the racing we see in the last few years.People generally believe that their 'era' was the best. The 'in my day' stories etc.
If you go back and actually watch (or read about) the races rather than think how good it was you'd be bitterly disappointed.
I will grant that the sound was massively different but if that's your measure of great racing then there nothing else I can say.
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