is F1 on its knees
Discussion
Gaz. said:
I tell you what compared to the Indy500, F1 isn't on it's knees- it's standing ten feet tall with its chest puffed out and a 12 inch erection.
2 corners under green, a bloody long caution period and I've seen more advert in 20 minutes on BTSport than I do in the entire Monaco weekend on Sky.
Was going to post the same thing, half a lap, theres an accident, so 2 corners under green, a bloody long caution period and I've seen more advert in 20 minutes on BTSport than I do in the entire Monaco weekend on Sky.
Just about to restart, but are waved off because one car has hit another and now has loose bodywork. Those cars enter pit lane, but cannot stop as pit lane is closed, so they exit, do another lap and then pit, meantime the loose bodywork comes adrift and sits on the track, so the caution period continues.
It actually takes 10% of race distance before they actually race. Now just over a quarter way through and there have been at least half a dozen ad breaks.
In the 70's I'd watched the odd race, highlights were all I remember back then but when Murray Walker and James Hunt teamed up I was caught up with their enthusiasm and became a fan of Formula 1. Mainly an armchair fan, but keen nonetheless. The only GP I've seen live was Silverstone in 1991, a seat in Luffield. Loved all the action and atmosphere, the sound was immense. A great weekend rounded off nicely when our Nige picked up Senna.
Over recent years I've defended F1 to the naysayers who've rubbished it. I think I may've been wrong.
I've been of the opinion that they didn't understand the sport, it's more than just a driver driving fast. It's a team sport with technology, tactics, teamwork, cheating, etc and they just didn't understand that.
I was watching the Canadian GP yesterday and found myself thinking why am I doing this? I was bored. It was boring. Lift and coast. Tyre management. Fuel saving. DRS. Blue flags. Uninspiring sound. Drivers not able to drive flat out for fear of (m)any of the above.
I know we look back with rose-tinted specs, but this is not what I want to see. Oddly, I enjoy local motorsport as much as I ever did though - Castle Combe Circuit still has some great meets.
After forty years I'm losing interest in Formula 1 - maybe it's just me getting old.
Over recent years I've defended F1 to the naysayers who've rubbished it. I think I may've been wrong.
I've been of the opinion that they didn't understand the sport, it's more than just a driver driving fast. It's a team sport with technology, tactics, teamwork, cheating, etc and they just didn't understand that.
I was watching the Canadian GP yesterday and found myself thinking why am I doing this? I was bored. It was boring. Lift and coast. Tyre management. Fuel saving. DRS. Blue flags. Uninspiring sound. Drivers not able to drive flat out for fear of (m)any of the above.
I know we look back with rose-tinted specs, but this is not what I want to see. Oddly, I enjoy local motorsport as much as I ever did though - Castle Combe Circuit still has some great meets.
After forty years I'm losing interest in Formula 1 - maybe it's just me getting old.
LordGrover said:
In the 70's I'd watched the odd race, highlights were all I remember back then but when Murray Walker and James Hunt teamed up I was caught up with their enthusiasm and became a fan of Formula 1. Mainly an armchair fan, but keen nonetheless. The only GP I've seen live was Silverstone in 1991, a seat in Luffield. Loved all the action and atmosphere, the sound was immense. A great weekend rounded off nicely when our Nige picked up Senna.
Over recent years I've defended F1 to the naysayers who've rubbished it. I think I may've been wrong.
I've been of the opinion that they didn't understand the sport, it's more than just a driver driving fast. It's a team sport with technology, tactics, teamwork, cheating, etc and they just didn't understand that.
I was watching the Canadian GP yesterday and found myself thinking why am I doing this? I was bored. It was boring. Lift and coast. Tyre management. Fuel saving. DRS. Blue flags. Uninspiring sound. Drivers not able to drive flat out for fear of (m)any of the above.
I know we look back with rose-tinted specs, but this is not what I want to see. Oddly, I enjoy local motorsport as much as I ever did though - Castle Combe Circuit still has some great meets.
After forty years I'm losing interest in Formula 1 - maybe it's just me getting old.
I'd guess it's you enjoying different things, rather than getting old. Over recent years I've defended F1 to the naysayers who've rubbished it. I think I may've been wrong.
I've been of the opinion that they didn't understand the sport, it's more than just a driver driving fast. It's a team sport with technology, tactics, teamwork, cheating, etc and they just didn't understand that.
I was watching the Canadian GP yesterday and found myself thinking why am I doing this? I was bored. It was boring. Lift and coast. Tyre management. Fuel saving. DRS. Blue flags. Uninspiring sound. Drivers not able to drive flat out for fear of (m)any of the above.
I know we look back with rose-tinted specs, but this is not what I want to see. Oddly, I enjoy local motorsport as much as I ever did though - Castle Combe Circuit still has some great meets.
After forty years I'm losing interest in Formula 1 - maybe it's just me getting old.
I keep asking people when this mythical time was when we had wheel to wheel racing, no idea which team would win the race/championship and I never seem to get an answer.
When I get given some point in time I go back and try and watch the races and for the life of me I can't see anything different to now.
The only difference to now is that we know exactly what is going on because the teams broadcast everything to us as well.
The latest moan seems to be about lift and coast. In the turbo days drivers had to save fuel all the time, turn the turbo down etc. Brundle mentioned in commentary that driving during that period you'd have your eyes glued to the fuel gauge. Funnily enough lots of drivers ran out of fuel and dropped out of the race.
Now, the team know exactly what is going on so tell the drivers to amend their driving.
The only way to get back to something like the 'old days' is to remove all comms between driver and car. No telemetry, no radio, nothing.
You'd then get loads of retirements just like back in the old days.
London424 said:
LordGrover said:
In the 70's I'd watched the odd race, highlights were all I remember back then but when Murray Walker and James Hunt teamed up I was caught up with their enthusiasm and became a fan of Formula 1. Mainly an armchair fan, but keen nonetheless. The only GP I've seen live was Silverstone in 1991, a seat in Luffield. Loved all the action and atmosphere, the sound was immense. A great weekend rounded off nicely when our Nige picked up Senna.
Over recent years I've defended F1 to the naysayers who've rubbished it. I think I may've been wrong.
I've been of the opinion that they didn't understand the sport, it's more than just a driver driving fast. It's a team sport with technology, tactics, teamwork, cheating, etc and they just didn't understand that.
I was watching the Canadian GP yesterday and found myself thinking why am I doing this? I was bored. It was boring. Lift and coast. Tyre management. Fuel saving. DRS. Blue flags. Uninspiring sound. Drivers not able to drive flat out for fear of (m)any of the above.
I know we look back with rose-tinted specs, but this is not what I want to see. Oddly, I enjoy local motorsport as much as I ever did though - Castle Combe Circuit still has some great meets.
After forty years I'm losing interest in Formula 1 - maybe it's just me getting old.
I'd guess it's you enjoying different things, rather than getting old. Over recent years I've defended F1 to the naysayers who've rubbished it. I think I may've been wrong.
I've been of the opinion that they didn't understand the sport, it's more than just a driver driving fast. It's a team sport with technology, tactics, teamwork, cheating, etc and they just didn't understand that.
I was watching the Canadian GP yesterday and found myself thinking why am I doing this? I was bored. It was boring. Lift and coast. Tyre management. Fuel saving. DRS. Blue flags. Uninspiring sound. Drivers not able to drive flat out for fear of (m)any of the above.
I know we look back with rose-tinted specs, but this is not what I want to see. Oddly, I enjoy local motorsport as much as I ever did though - Castle Combe Circuit still has some great meets.
After forty years I'm losing interest in Formula 1 - maybe it's just me getting old.
I keep asking people when this mythical time was when we had wheel to wheel racing, no idea which team would win the race/championship and I never seem to get an answer.
When I get given some point in time I go back and try and watch the races and for the life of me I can't see anything different to now.
The only difference to now is that we know exactly what is going on because the teams broadcast everything to us as well.
The latest moan seems to be about lift and coast. In the turbo days drivers had to save fuel all the time, turn the turbo down etc. Brundle mentioned in commentary that driving during that period you'd have your eyes glued to the fuel gauge. Funnily enough lots of drivers ran out of fuel and dropped out of the race.
Now, the team know exactly what is going on so tell the drivers to amend their driving.
The only way to get back to something like the 'old days' is to remove all comms between driver and car. No telemetry, no radio, nothing.
You'd then get loads of retirements just like back in the old days.
Disastrous said:
London424 said:
LordGrover said:
In the 70's I'd watched the odd race, highlights were all I remember back then but when Murray Walker and James Hunt teamed up I was caught up with their enthusiasm and became a fan of Formula 1. Mainly an armchair fan, but keen nonetheless. The only GP I've seen live was Silverstone in 1991, a seat in Luffield. Loved all the action and atmosphere, the sound was immense. A great weekend rounded off nicely when our Nige picked up Senna.
Over recent years I've defended F1 to the naysayers who've rubbished it. I think I may've been wrong.
I've been of the opinion that they didn't understand the sport, it's more than just a driver driving fast. It's a team sport with technology, tactics, teamwork, cheating, etc and they just didn't understand that.
I was watching the Canadian GP yesterday and found myself thinking why am I doing this? I was bored. It was boring. Lift and coast. Tyre management. Fuel saving. DRS. Blue flags. Uninspiring sound. Drivers not able to drive flat out for fear of (m)any of the above.
I know we look back with rose-tinted specs, but this is not what I want to see. Oddly, I enjoy local motorsport as much as I ever did though - Castle Combe Circuit still has some great meets.
After forty years I'm losing interest in Formula 1 - maybe it's just me getting old.
I'd guess it's you enjoying different things, rather than getting old. Over recent years I've defended F1 to the naysayers who've rubbished it. I think I may've been wrong.
I've been of the opinion that they didn't understand the sport, it's more than just a driver driving fast. It's a team sport with technology, tactics, teamwork, cheating, etc and they just didn't understand that.
I was watching the Canadian GP yesterday and found myself thinking why am I doing this? I was bored. It was boring. Lift and coast. Tyre management. Fuel saving. DRS. Blue flags. Uninspiring sound. Drivers not able to drive flat out for fear of (m)any of the above.
I know we look back with rose-tinted specs, but this is not what I want to see. Oddly, I enjoy local motorsport as much as I ever did though - Castle Combe Circuit still has some great meets.
After forty years I'm losing interest in Formula 1 - maybe it's just me getting old.
I keep asking people when this mythical time was when we had wheel to wheel racing, no idea which team would win the race/championship and I never seem to get an answer.
When I get given some point in time I go back and try and watch the races and for the life of me I can't see anything different to now.
The only difference to now is that we know exactly what is going on because the teams broadcast everything to us as well.
The latest moan seems to be about lift and coast. In the turbo days drivers had to save fuel all the time, turn the turbo down etc. Brundle mentioned in commentary that driving during that period you'd have your eyes glued to the fuel gauge. Funnily enough lots of drivers ran out of fuel and dropped out of the race.
Now, the team know exactly what is going on so tell the drivers to amend their driving.
The only way to get back to something like the 'old days' is to remove all comms between driver and car. No telemetry, no radio, nothing.
You'd then get loads of retirements just like back in the old days.
The people moaning about how it is now are the same people that moaned when the tyres were rock hard and we had a procession. The people moaning about how DRS is 'manufactured overtaking' are the same moaning about the Trulli trains and that it was ridiculous that cars 2+ seconds a lap faster couldn't overtake etc etc.
London424 said:
When has it ever been perfect?
The people moaning about how it is now are the same people that moaned when the tyres were rock hard and we had a procession. The people moaning about how DRS is 'manufactured overtaking' are the same moaning about the Trulli trains and that it was ridiculous that cars 2+ seconds a lap faster couldn't overtake etc etc.
Nope. Not me anyway.The people moaning about how it is now are the same people that moaned when the tyres were rock hard and we had a procession. The people moaning about how DRS is 'manufactured overtaking' are the same moaning about the Trulli trains and that it was ridiculous that cars 2+ seconds a lap faster couldn't overtake etc etc.
London424 said:
Disastrous said:
London424 said:
LordGrover said:
In the 70's I'd watched the odd race, highlights were all I remember back then but when Murray Walker and James Hunt teamed up I was caught up with their enthusiasm and became a fan of Formula 1. Mainly an armchair fan, but keen nonetheless. The only GP I've seen live was Silverstone in 1991, a seat in Luffield. Loved all the action and atmosphere, the sound was immense. A great weekend rounded off nicely when our Nige picked up Senna.
Over recent years I've defended F1 to the naysayers who've rubbished it. I think I may've been wrong.
I've been of the opinion that they didn't understand the sport, it's more than just a driver driving fast. It's a team sport with technology, tactics, teamwork, cheating, etc and they just didn't understand that.
I was watching the Canadian GP yesterday and found myself thinking why am I doing this? I was bored. It was boring. Lift and coast. Tyre management. Fuel saving. DRS. Blue flags. Uninspiring sound. Drivers not able to drive flat out for fear of (m)any of the above.
I know we look back with rose-tinted specs, but this is not what I want to see. Oddly, I enjoy local motorsport as much as I ever did though - Castle Combe Circuit still has some great meets.
After forty years I'm losing interest in Formula 1 - maybe it's just me getting old.
I'd guess it's you enjoying different things, rather than getting old. Over recent years I've defended F1 to the naysayers who've rubbished it. I think I may've been wrong.
I've been of the opinion that they didn't understand the sport, it's more than just a driver driving fast. It's a team sport with technology, tactics, teamwork, cheating, etc and they just didn't understand that.
I was watching the Canadian GP yesterday and found myself thinking why am I doing this? I was bored. It was boring. Lift and coast. Tyre management. Fuel saving. DRS. Blue flags. Uninspiring sound. Drivers not able to drive flat out for fear of (m)any of the above.
I know we look back with rose-tinted specs, but this is not what I want to see. Oddly, I enjoy local motorsport as much as I ever did though - Castle Combe Circuit still has some great meets.
After forty years I'm losing interest in Formula 1 - maybe it's just me getting old.
I keep asking people when this mythical time was when we had wheel to wheel racing, no idea which team would win the race/championship and I never seem to get an answer.
When I get given some point in time I go back and try and watch the races and for the life of me I can't see anything different to now.
The only difference to now is that we know exactly what is going on because the teams broadcast everything to us as well.
The latest moan seems to be about lift and coast. In the turbo days drivers had to save fuel all the time, turn the turbo down etc. Brundle mentioned in commentary that driving during that period you'd have your eyes glued to the fuel gauge. Funnily enough lots of drivers ran out of fuel and dropped out of the race.
Now, the team know exactly what is going on so tell the drivers to amend their driving.
The only way to get back to something like the 'old days' is to remove all comms between driver and car. No telemetry, no radio, nothing.
You'd then get loads of retirements just like back in the old days.
The people moaning about how it is now are the same people that moaned when the tyres were rock hard and we had a procession. The people moaning about how DRS is 'manufactured overtaking' are the same moaning about the Trulli trains and that it was ridiculous that cars 2+ seconds a lap faster couldn't overtake etc etc.
There is a genuine, deep-rooted dissatisfaction with the sport at all levels, from fan to pundit to investor to driver. You are of course welcome to ignore this and dismiss it as Rose-tinted whinging but it doesn't make it less valid.
I'm genuinely surprised that an F1 fan would not be concerned at the state of 'their' sport if enough dissenting voices make themselves heard.
London424 said:
When has it ever been perfect?
The people moaning about how it is now are the same people that moaned when the tyres were rock hard and we had a procession. The people moaning about how DRS is 'manufactured overtaking' are the same moaning about the Trulli trains and that it was ridiculous that cars 2+ seconds a lap faster couldn't overtake etc etc.
Are you watching Formula E? The Trulli Train is alive and well The people moaning about how it is now are the same people that moaned when the tyres were rock hard and we had a procession. The people moaning about how DRS is 'manufactured overtaking' are the same moaning about the Trulli trains and that it was ridiculous that cars 2+ seconds a lap faster couldn't overtake etc etc.
Could we get rid of the embarrassing "celebrity fans" too while we're at it? According to the BBC coverage, Michael Douglas and son are apparently "huge F1 enthusiasts", yet mid-race they appeared to be happily stuffing their faces in some paddock hospitality area rather than experiencing the total non-event taking place on track. Oh...hang on...
dr_gn said:
Could we get rid of the embarrassing "celebrity fans" too while we're at it? According to the BBC coverage, Michael Douglas and son are apparently "huge F1 enthusiasts", yet mid-race they appeared to be happily stuffing their faces in some paddock hospitality area rather than experiencing the total non-event taking place on track. Oh...hang on...
Can't blame them, I fell asleep mid-race. It's not the first time I've fallen asleep during an f1 race, but it's possibly the first time I've fallen asleep during an F1 race that didn't start until 7pm, 2-3pm is usually my danger zone.Well I settled in to watch quali and the Mrs said and I quote
"You watch it babe I'm going to do this ironing. I'm bored with F1 now"
She was an ardent fan like me but also a BIG button fan and I just think she can't take the disappointment anymore. She also thinks hammy is an automaton knob with no personality or feeling but that's another story LOL
"You watch it babe I'm going to do this ironing. I'm bored with F1 now"
She was an ardent fan like me but also a BIG button fan and I just think she can't take the disappointment anymore. She also thinks hammy is an automaton knob with no personality or feeling but that's another story LOL
Soul Reaver said:
Well I settled in to watch quali and the Mrs said and I quote
"You watch it babe I'm going to do this ironing. I'm bored with F1 now"
She was an ardent fan like me but also a BIG button fan and I just think she can't take the disappointment anymore. She also thinks hammy is an automaton knob with no personality or feeling but that's another story LOL
No-no, she's just watching it wrong/wearing rose tinted glasses/has unrealistic expectations/doesn't appreciate the strategy/it's always been like this/she isn't a real fan. *delete as appropriate"You watch it babe I'm going to do this ironing. I'm bored with F1 now"
She was an ardent fan like me but also a BIG button fan and I just think she can't take the disappointment anymore. She also thinks hammy is an automaton knob with no personality or feeling but that's another story LOL
I think the fact they're also reversing stuff they made decades ago to increase overtaking chances (i.e widening the cars again, proposing refuelling etc.) confirms that whoever decides these things never learns. F1 is currently a complete f
k up. Any or all of Hamilton's championships won in this era are worth toss all IMO.
k up. Any or all of Hamilton's championships won in this era are worth toss all IMO.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff