The Official 2015 Bahrain Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
Discussion
007 VXR said:
lbc said:
Fire99 said:
McLaren Honda. Dear Honda, you need to ditch that stolen Toyota Prius engine and go for an F1 engine next time. It's woefully slow and utterly wastes a great driver and what looks a good chassis. This is no 80's heyday for them.. That is for sure..
So far the Honda engine is probably as bad as the Peugeot engine from 1994. Will Honda pull out of F1 as Peugeot did?They will not pull out after investing this much money, better to save face and fix it, than acted like a child and run away!
'Honda spends, Honda wins'
The full phrase is...
'Honda spends, Honda wins, Honda learns'
I'd wager Honda are using the current F1 program to teach a new crop of engineers about turbos, hybrid technology and not only how to win but how to fail and how to learn from failure.
Tango13 said:
007 VXR said:
lbc said:
Fire99 said:
McLaren Honda. Dear Honda, you need to ditch that stolen Toyota Prius engine and go for an F1 engine next time. It's woefully slow and utterly wastes a great driver and what looks a good chassis. This is no 80's heyday for them.. That is for sure..
So far the Honda engine is probably as bad as the Peugeot engine from 1994. Will Honda pull out of F1 as Peugeot did?They will not pull out after investing this much money, better to save face and fix it, than acted like a child and run away!
'Honda spends, Honda wins'
The full phrase is...
'Honda spends, Honda wins, Honda learns'
I'd wager Honda are using the current F1 program to teach a new crop of engineers about turbos, hybrid technology and not only how to win but how to fail and how to learn from failure.
lbc said:
So far the Honda engine is probably as bad as the Peugeot engine from 1994. Will Honda pull out of F1 as Peugeot did?
I don't think its anywhere near as bad as the Peugeot. https://youtu.be/_bct74R42qk
It did that quite a lot.
Although its painful I think Honda are going about it the right way, get some mles on them and the data and gradually turn it up.
Inertiatic said:
Alonso getting a good result in a car that's clearly down on power. Getting out dragged by the Ferrari whilst in the tow with DRS... I get the idea it can give full power, as they have shown fast top speeds, but perhaps harvesting is a big problem - read that the MGU-K overheats which makes sense...
The most interesting thing there was that several times when the Mclaren was in DRS, even though it was still getting outdragged, it was faster into and through the apex than most cars and could stick with the car in front - points to the chassis and aero being top notch if it can do that in dirty air.ash73 said:
Bit disappointed with the race, I was hoping for a Ferrari victory but credit to them for trying everything. Nico and the two Ferraris had some good dices but it didn't quite meet expectations somehow, and we were stuck watching cars in the midfield for most of the race just because they were a bit closer together. Getting very bored with Lewis winning all the time and whenever he has some bad luck (going wide, wheel gun, brakes) he always gets away with it.
Not the classic I was hoping for
Yes, disappointing racing unfortunately seeming to afflict any class of 4 wheel motorsport (at International level), contrast with all 3 MotoGP classes which this year are all providing genuine excitement and to be honest more entertainment off track with non PC characters contrasting strongly with F1's carefully managed and controlled 'show'. Not the classic I was hoping for
Tango13 said:
I'd wager Honda are using the current F1 program to teach a new crop of engineers about not only how to win but how to fail and how to learn from failure.
Perhaps they should paint the car green and blue and plaster it with ''My Earth Dreams" decals then?Honda are in this to win. Not for any other reason.
Will they catch the others up? Do they already have some thing up their sleeves that they haven't quite perfected yet? Does the engine sound different to the others for a good reason?
bern said:
Really enjoyed the race but was left frustrated by the BBC coverage. I could watch it on sky but choose to watch it on the BBC when they have a live race as I normally prefer their coverage but...
Yesterday they cut short the coverage at the end of quali, interviews etc to go to 22 boys kicking a pigs bladder and today they stopped short for mastermind WTF?
I thought the piece with the "father and son" and camels in the desert was the low point. Particularly the line "Once there was a great race track here." Yesterday they cut short the coverage at the end of quali, interviews etc to go to 22 boys kicking a pigs bladder and today they stopped short for mastermind WTF?
007 VXR said:
lbc said:
Fire99 said:
McLaren Honda. Dear Honda, you need to ditch that stolen Toyota Prius engine and go for an F1 engine next time. It's woefully slow and utterly wastes a great driver and what looks a good chassis. This is no 80's heyday for them.. That is for sure..
So far the Honda engine is probably as bad as the Peugeot engine from 1994. Will Honda pull out of F1 as Peugeot did?007 VXR said:
Scuffers said:
007 VXR said:
Scuffers said:
know what you're getting at, BUT!
realistically, they left him out 2 laps too long, he lost a lot of time in the last two laps of his second stint.
then if they had put him on the medium's, his pace for the last 4-5 laps would have been stronger, and he might have been able to challenge Lewis, it's clear the last 4-5 laps, his times were dropping off pretty fast.
Yes it's all iff's and butt's, and I could be talking bks, but that's my take on it.
If they had put him on those tyres 2 laps before, they would not have lasted to the end, is that they were thinking...realistically, they left him out 2 laps too long, he lost a lot of time in the last two laps of his second stint.
then if they had put him on the medium's, his pace for the last 4-5 laps would have been stronger, and he might have been able to challenge Lewis, it's clear the last 4-5 laps, his times were dropping off pretty fast.
Yes it's all iff's and butt's, and I could be talking bks, but that's my take on it.
Just asking , not having a go
REALIST123 said:
What, like they did 6 years ago?
When the World went into economic collapse and they were faced with laying off many people from the factories back home. Nope, the face saving in withdrawing and using money that would have been spent on F1 to keep workers jobs was more of an importance there. Don't forget the they still effectively bankrolled Brawn, something people on this site might be expected to know but something that 5bn of the rest of the WOrld have no idea about. That was all about face saving.Just as Peugot's withdrawal from LMP1 was about face saving. The car was there, it could have been run on a lower budget and still troubled the Audis for a season but they didn't want to make up the numbers and it was simbolicly far more important to cut the race team when you are also sending out P45's.London424 said:
entropy said:
Anyone remember radio comms to Checo that sounded similar to driver coaching?
Yeah...he was overlapping his pedal use. Surprised he was able to be told that. http://adamcooperf1.com/2014/09/15/f1s-radio-ban-f...
Edited by McSam on Monday 20th April 10:09
McSam said:
London424 said:
entropy said:
Anyone remember radio comms to Checo that sounded similar to driver coaching?
Yeah...he was overlapping his pedal use. Surprised he was able to be told that. http://adamcooperf1.com/2014/09/15/f1s-radio-ban-f...
Edited by McSam on Monday 20th April 10:09
McSam said:
thought this at the time. Rosberg was also told repeatedly about managing the brakes, which I didn't like. In fact, now I check, it's specifically prohibited.
http://adamcooperf1.com/2014/09/15/f1s-radio-ban-f...
Is that 'coming into effect from the Japanese GP onwards' last year, this year or every year?http://adamcooperf1.com/2014/09/15/f1s-radio-ban-f...
Edited by McSam on Monday 20th April 10:09
I can only assume it's every year/this year, as it was pretty obvious and I can't imagine the teams risking a penalty for it.
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