The Official 2015 Bahrain Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

The Official 2015 Bahrain Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

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Tango13

8,395 posts

175 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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007 VXR said:
lbc said:
Fire99 said:
McLaren Honda. Dear Honda, you need to ditch that stolen Toyota Prius engine and go for an F1 engine next time. It's woefully slow and utterly wastes a great driver and what looks a good chassis. This is no 80's heyday for them.. That is for sure..
So far the Honda engine is probably as bad as the Peugeot engine from 1994. Will Honda pull out of F1 as Peugeot did?
They will catch up soon yes Just takes time to fix things imho.
They will not pull out after investing this much money, better to save face and fix it, than acted like a child and run away!
There's an old saying in motorsport, both two and four wheeled...

'Honda spends, Honda wins'

The full phrase is...

'Honda spends, Honda wins, Honda learns'

I'd wager Honda are using the current F1 program to teach a new crop of engineers about turbos, hybrid technology and not only how to win but how to fail and how to learn from failure.



007 VXR

64,187 posts

186 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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Tango13 said:
007 VXR said:
lbc said:
Fire99 said:
McLaren Honda. Dear Honda, you need to ditch that stolen Toyota Prius engine and go for an F1 engine next time. It's woefully slow and utterly wastes a great driver and what looks a good chassis. This is no 80's heyday for them.. That is for sure..
So far the Honda engine is probably as bad as the Peugeot engine from 1994. Will Honda pull out of F1 as Peugeot did?
They will catch up soon yes Just takes time to fix things imho.
They will not pull out after investing this much money, better to save face and fix it, than acted like a child and run away!
There's an old saying in motorsport, both two and four wheeled...

'Honda spends, Honda wins'

The full phrase is...

'Honda spends, Honda wins, Honda learns'

I'd wager Honda are using the current F1 program to teach a new crop of engineers about turbos, hybrid technology and not only how to win but how to fail and how to learn from failure.
ill go with that smile

Crafty_

13,248 posts

199 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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lbc said:
So far the Honda engine is probably as bad as the Peugeot engine from 1994. Will Honda pull out of F1 as Peugeot did?
I don't think its anywhere near as bad as the Peugeot.
https://youtu.be/_bct74R42qk

It did that quite a lot.

Although its painful I think Honda are going about it the right way, get some mles on them and the data and gradually turn it up.

AreOut

3,658 posts

160 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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l354uge said:
Mercs always have bbw issues at the same time..odd
yupp remember Canada...like they are programmed to work x minutes

PhillipM

6,515 posts

188 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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Inertiatic said:
Alonso getting a good result in a car that's clearly down on power. Getting out dragged by the Ferrari whilst in the tow with DRS... I get the idea it can give full power, as they have shown fast top speeds, but perhaps harvesting is a big problem - read that the MGU-K overheats which makes sense...
The most interesting thing there was that several times when the Mclaren was in DRS, even though it was still getting outdragged, it was faster into and through the apex than most cars and could stick with the car in front - points to the chassis and aero being top notch if it can do that in dirty air.

DallaraV8

68 posts

145 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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ash73 said:
Bit disappointed with the race, I was hoping for a Ferrari victory but credit to them for trying everything. Nico and the two Ferraris had some good dices but it didn't quite meet expectations somehow, and we were stuck watching cars in the midfield for most of the race just because they were a bit closer together. Getting very bored with Lewis winning all the time and whenever he has some bad luck (going wide, wheel gun, brakes) he always gets away with it.

Not the classic I was hoping for frown
Yes, disappointing racing unfortunately seeming to afflict any class of 4 wheel motorsport (at International level), contrast with all 3 MotoGP classes which this year are all providing genuine excitement and to be honest more entertainment off track with non PC characters contrasting strongly with F1's carefully managed and controlled 'show'.

BigBen

11,610 posts

229 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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AreOut said:
l354uge said:
Mercs always have bbw issues at the same time..odd
yupp remember Canada...like they are programmed to work x minutes
Technology taken directly from the SBC pumps on the S211 E-class.

rubystone

11,252 posts

258 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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Tango13 said:
I'd wager Honda are using the current F1 program to teach a new crop of engineers about not only how to win but how to fail and how to learn from failure.
Perhaps they should paint the car green and blue and plaster it with ''My Earth Dreams" decals then?

Honda are in this to win. Not for any other reason.

Will they catch the others up? Do they already have some thing up their sleeves that they haven't quite perfected yet? Does the engine sound different to the others for a good reason?

entropy

5,403 posts

202 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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Anyone remember radio comms to Checo that sounded similar to driver coaching?

London424

12,826 posts

174 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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entropy said:
Anyone remember radio comms to Checo that sounded similar to driver coaching?
Yeah...he was overlapping his peddle use. Surprised he was able to be told that.

Megaflow

9,345 posts

224 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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Sniff Petrols version of the result:

1. Yea boyeee
2. Yea, whatever
3. Yea, but no, but yea, but that's like SO unfair

rofl

JonRB

74,390 posts

271 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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I also enjoyed this retweet from Sniff:

"Have just polished off a lovely plate of pasta maldonado. Huge meat balls, very rich but virtually impossible to finish."

smile

Europa1

10,923 posts

187 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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bern said:
Really enjoyed the race but was left frustrated by the BBC coverage. I could watch it on sky but choose to watch it on the BBC when they have a live race as I normally prefer their coverage but...

Yesterday they cut short the coverage at the end of quali, interviews etc to go to 22 boys kicking a pigs bladder and today they stopped short for mastermind WTF?
I thought the piece with the "father and son" and camels in the desert was the low point. Particularly the line "Once there was a great race track here."

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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007 VXR said:
lbc said:
Fire99 said:
McLaren Honda. Dear Honda, you need to ditch that stolen Toyota Prius engine and go for an F1 engine next time. It's woefully slow and utterly wastes a great driver and what looks a good chassis. This is no 80's heyday for them.. That is for sure..
So far the Honda engine is probably as bad as the Peugeot engine from 1994. Will Honda pull out of F1 as Peugeot did?
They will not pull out after investing this much money, better to save face and fix it, than acted like a child and run away!
What, like they did 6 years ago?


VladD

7,853 posts

264 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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007 VXR said:
Scuffers said:
007 VXR said:
Scuffers said:
know what you're getting at, BUT!

realistically, they left him out 2 laps too long, he lost a lot of time in the last two laps of his second stint.

then if they had put him on the medium's, his pace for the last 4-5 laps would have been stronger, and he might have been able to challenge Lewis, it's clear the last 4-5 laps, his times were dropping off pretty fast.

Yes it's all iff's and butt's, and I could be talking bks, but that's my take on it.
If they had put him on those tyres 2 laps before, they would not have lasted to the end, is that they were thinking...
the mediums (he wanted) would have, that's the point..
But he made up 14 secs with the new tyres and they lasted, so wrong tyres ?
Just asking , not having a go biggrin
As the Ferrari engineer said in an interview after the race, they have very sophisticated software that calculates which is the best tyre to use and at what point. I think we can assume that Kimi was on the optimal tyres in his last stint.

007 VXR

64,187 posts

186 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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REALIST123 said:
What, like they did 6 years ago?
was referring to not pulling out NOW... 3/4 years maybe.

Rude-boy

22,227 posts

232 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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REALIST123 said:
What, like they did 6 years ago?
When the World went into economic collapse and they were faced with laying off many people from the factories back home. Nope, the face saving in withdrawing and using money that would have been spent on F1 to keep workers jobs was more of an importance there. Don't forget the they still effectively bankrolled Brawn, something people on this site might be expected to know but something that 5bn of the rest of the WOrld have no idea about. That was all about face saving.Just as Peugot's withdrawal from LMP1 was about face saving. The car was there, it could have been run on a lower budget and still troubled the Audis for a season but they didn't want to make up the numbers and it was simbolicly far more important to cut the race team when you are also sending out P45's.

McSam

6,753 posts

174 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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London424 said:
entropy said:
Anyone remember radio comms to Checo that sounded similar to driver coaching?
Yeah...he was overlapping his pedal use. Surprised he was able to be told that.
I thought this at the time. Rosberg was also told repeatedly about managing the brakes, which I didn't like. In fact, now I check, it's specifically prohibited.

http://adamcooperf1.com/2014/09/15/f1s-radio-ban-f...



Edited by McSam on Monday 20th April 10:09

longblackcoat

5,047 posts

182 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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McSam said:
London424 said:
entropy said:
Anyone remember radio comms to Checo that sounded similar to driver coaching?
Yeah...he was overlapping his pedal use. Surprised he was able to be told that.
I thought this at the time. Rosberg was also told repeatedly about managing the brakes, which I didn't like. In fact, now I check, it's specifically prohibited.

http://adamcooperf1.com/2014/09/15/f1s-radio-ban-f...



Edited by McSam on Monday 20th April 10:09
Agreed - I heard one message where Rosberg was told to do brake saving for several laps so that he could attack later, which did seem very much like coaching.

leglessAlex

5,382 posts

140 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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McSam said:
thought this at the time. Rosberg was also told repeatedly about managing the brakes, which I didn't like. In fact, now I check, it's specifically prohibited.

http://adamcooperf1.com/2014/09/15/f1s-radio-ban-f...



Edited by McSam on Monday 20th April 10:09
Is that 'coming into effect from the Japanese GP onwards' last year, this year or every year?

I can only assume it's every year/this year, as it was pretty obvious and I can't imagine the teams risking a penalty for it.