Safety Car Finish

Safety Car Finish

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Walford

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2,259 posts

166 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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How boring, they cannot be serious, there must be a workable alternative

Speed Badger

2,689 posts

117 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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I don't know why they don't just simply add however many laps done behind the safety car to the race distance unless it will surpass the 2hr limit, like they do in the BTCC. It's like what happened in the Indycars last week too.

kambites

67,553 posts

221 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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Speed Badger said:
I don't know why they don't just simply add however many laps done behind the safety car to the race distance unless it will surpass the 2hr limit, like they do in the BTCC. It's like what happened in the Indycars last week too.
I'd guess some of the cars would end up running out of fuel. smile

Stu R

21,410 posts

215 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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Speed Badger said:
I don't know why they don't just simply add however many laps done behind the safety car to the race distance unless it will surpass the 2hr limit, like they do in the BTCC. It's like what happened in the Indycars last week too.
Fuel I suspect.

Inertiatic

1,040 posts

190 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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Hardly ever happens.

One of those things.

Don't see the fuss

Altrezia

8,517 posts

211 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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Inertiatic said:
Hardly ever happens.

One of those things.

Don't see the fuss
This.

Better than someone having a nasty (and avoidable) crash.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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Should have just used the virtual safety car, otherwise why have it?

Mr_Thyroid

1,995 posts

227 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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They could stop the race and have standing restarts.

Now THAT would be exciting. ;-)

entropy

5,432 posts

203 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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Use the red flag to ensure green flag finish....

emicen

8,578 posts

218 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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entropy said:
Use the red flag to ensure green flag finish....
How's that? Red flag after 3/4 race distance = end of race

entropy

5,432 posts

203 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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emicen said:
entropy said:
Use the red flag to ensure green flag finish....
How's that? Red flag after 3/4 race distance = end of race
...procedure to stop/restart race in extenuating circumstances; parc ferme conditions apart from handling starter motor.

Just an idea, not that I fully advocate it.


Walford

Original Poster:

2,259 posts

166 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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Why does it take so long to recover a 700Kg car,

Because they are crap at it and use the wrong equipment, and the cars are only lifted from one point, the main roll over structure

If they had two lifting points and a suitable truck mounted crane, they could drive up to it and lift it in a fraction of the time

MitchT

15,862 posts

209 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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Maybe they should have a system where a battery can be attached to the car so it can be driven away using the electric motor.

kiseca

9,339 posts

219 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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Altrezia said:
Inertiatic said:
Hardly ever happens.

One of those things.

Don't see the fuss
This.

Better than someone having a nasty (and avoidable) crash.
Another vote for this. I was looking forward to seeing Kimi catch Seb but there will be other days.

HustleRussell

24,687 posts

160 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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Walford said:
Why does it take so long to recover a 700Kg car,

Because they are crap at it and use the wrong equipment, and the cars are only lifted from one point, the main roll over structure

If they had two lifting points and a suitable truck mounted crane, they could drive up to it and lift it in a fraction of the time
Still need marshals on track to hook up
Twice as many hook ups to make
The car will still need stabilising and guiding onto flatbed
Truck mounted crane wouldn't be able to cope with gravel
Marshals are not 'crap at it'
The circuit has to be controlled by flags at a minimum if any recovery is ongoing
Your idea will not make recovery of loose parts any faster
Race finish under safety car bothers nobody but you
You only ever come into the F1 forum to piss and moan about F1
ETA: extra hook up point will mean less crashability

HustleRussell

24,687 posts

160 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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Walford said:
Why does it take so long to recover a 700Kg car,

Because they are crap at it and use the wrong equipment, and the cars are only lifted from one point, the main roll over structure

If they had two lifting points and a suitable truck mounted crane, they could drive up to it and lift it in a fraction of the time
Still need marshals on track to hook up
Twice as many hook ups to make
The car will still need stabilising and guiding onto flatbed
Truck mounted crane wouldn't be able to cope with gravel
Marshals are not 'crap at it'
The circuit has to be controlled by flags at a minimum if any recovery is ongoing
Your idea will not make recovery of loose parts any faster
Race finish under safety car bothers nobody but you
You only ever come into the F1 forum to piss and moan about F1
ETA: extra hook up point will mean less crashability

Edited by HustleRussell on Friday 17th April 16:19

StevieBee

12,873 posts

255 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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Walford said:
Why does it take so long to recover a 700Kg car,
Get a couple of mates and go try a lift and move a 700kg weight, most of which at the back will be red hot....possibly 'live'.....on the hard shoulder of a motorway......with a few million people watching

Walford

Original Poster:

2,259 posts

166 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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HustleRussell said:
Marshals are not 'crap at it'
The ones in China were a joke

HustleRussell

24,687 posts

160 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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Is that the only one of those points you have any kind of response to?

bobt

1,323 posts

203 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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Still need marshals on track to hook up - The Marshall are already there. maybe a bit more training is needed.

Twice as many hook ups to make. See above. - If you have more than one marshall, then two hookups takes no more time than one. i.e. a few seconds.

The car will still need stabilising and guiding onto flatbed. Not if is it can be craned straight of danger. e.g. behind a barrier

Truck mounted crane wouldn't be able to cope with gravel. Why not?

Marshals are not 'crap at it'. They certainly were crap at removing the Red Bull in China.

The circuit has to be controlled by flags at a minimum if any recovery is ongoing. - Last week in China it would have meant no overtaking just on the pit straight.

Your idea will not make recovery of loose parts any faster. True, but marshalls should be on the scene quickly to clear debris.

Race finish under safety car bothers nobody but you. So you claim all other race viewers are happy with a safety car finish every race then? I think if you took a poll , most are not happy with even one safety car finish.

You only ever come into the F1 forum to piss and moan about F1. Not me.

ETA: extra hook up point will mean less crashability. What do you mean by crashability?

My suggestion would be to have the drivers hit the pit lane button within a specified few seconds of the a safety issue warning light. The car or debris can be quickly made safe, and then the race continues. The fuel usage would be close to zero or could be zero if cars went onto electric mode.