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Knee-jerk?
I was annoyed when they pitted him - couldn't understand why when it's Monaco with barely any laps left. He was walking away from the others all race, no reason to pit at all.
Since then I just remember that it's Canada next time out and Rosberg will be nowhere again (awaits this being quoted when I'm wrong).
Plus it was quite a dull race, hence we are talking about Ricciardo's name.
Although we could be talking about Sainz starting from the pitlane, Maldonado still not properly finishing a race, Verstappen driving like an old hand until he hit Grosjean - or did Grosjean brake early? Alonso getting a penalty but Ricciardo not for basically the same thing but not in the first lap melee. Button getting McLaren's first points this year and the dire performance of Williams.
I was annoyed when they pitted him - couldn't understand why when it's Monaco with barely any laps left. He was walking away from the others all race, no reason to pit at all.
Since then I just remember that it's Canada next time out and Rosberg will be nowhere again (awaits this being quoted when I'm wrong).
Plus it was quite a dull race, hence we are talking about Ricciardo's name.
Although we could be talking about Sainz starting from the pitlane, Maldonado still not properly finishing a race, Verstappen driving like an old hand until he hit Grosjean - or did Grosjean brake early? Alonso getting a penalty but Ricciardo not for basically the same thing but not in the first lap melee. Button getting McLaren's first points this year and the dire performance of Williams.
how on earth did they decide that Alonso deserved a penalty & Ricciardo not ? ? 
I can just imagine what Nikki Lauda and Toto Wolff were told in the garage by a M-B board member today, and what they had to say to Lewis H. Lots of politics in German Companies and Lewis in my eyes should not have signed a contract until September. He is having to learn F1 politics the hard way and just won't like where it is going to take him. Vettel did make me laugh, he is very happy and his season is looking good with Ferrari. Nico will be happy and I am sure his relationship with M-B management is good being a fluent german and racing under their flag....his Mother is German.
mollytherocker said:
Clevers said:
That was no balls up.......it was called in for the benefit of the sport overall.
Lewis's lead to Rosberg and Vettel has now been cut in half........F1 could not afford Hamilton to open up a big gap too early in the season. Everyone would switch to another channel.
Go on then, share the mechanics of your theory. Who exactly orchestrated this and when?Lewis's lead to Rosberg and Vettel has now been cut in half........F1 could not afford Hamilton to open up a big gap too early in the season. Everyone would switch to another channel.
This is bread and butter man!
Another conspiracy theory I'm surprised I've not seen mentioned (not one I believe in, at all I should add) has been 'match fixing'. That in, a member of the team has a financial interest, or knows others who have a financial interest?
Probably more believable than deliberate sabotage for the gains of Nico and any German bias.
Just wondering, I don't suppose there's anyway they could reclaim some land to add in a long straight, or a widened part of the circuit like Turn 1 at Texas (without the elevation change) ?
Probably more believable than deliberate sabotage for the gains of Nico and any German bias.
Just wondering, I don't suppose there's anyway they could reclaim some land to add in a long straight, or a widened part of the circuit like Turn 1 at Texas (without the elevation change) ?
Has anyone heard the full radio transmissions prior to Lewis pitting?
Asking this because a bloke on an F1 faceache group is insistant that it was Lewis's own decision to pit because his tyres were going off & he was worried that he wouldn't be able to keep Rosberg & Vettell behind him until the end of the race.
The bloke says that Toto's statement saying that the team got it wrong was made because they don't want to upset Lewis by blaimg him so they have decided to take the blame themselves!
Asking this because a bloke on an F1 faceache group is insistant that it was Lewis's own decision to pit because his tyres were going off & he was worried that he wouldn't be able to keep Rosberg & Vettell behind him until the end of the race.
The bloke says that Toto's statement saying that the team got it wrong was made because they don't want to upset Lewis by blaimg him so they have decided to take the blame themselves!
fatboy69 said:
Has anyone heard the full radio transmissions prior to Lewis pitting?
Asking this because a bloke on an F1 faceache group is insistant that it was Lewis's own decision to pit because his tyres were going off & he was worried that he wouldn't be able to keep Rosberg & Vettell behind him until the end of the race.
The bloke says that Toto's statement saying that the team got it wrong was made because they don't want to upset Lewis by blaimg him so they have decided to take the blame themselves!
Lewis did indeed make those comments, but its not that simple. Apparently it was part of a much larger conversation, and Lewis wasnt given all of the facts. Niki seemed to be suggesting that there were too many people involved and in the confusion, they went the wrong way.Asking this because a bloke on an F1 faceache group is insistant that it was Lewis's own decision to pit because his tyres were going off & he was worried that he wouldn't be able to keep Rosberg & Vettell behind him until the end of the race.
The bloke says that Toto's statement saying that the team got it wrong was made because they don't want to upset Lewis by blaimg him so they have decided to take the blame themselves!
AreOut said:
LH had the right to reject pit call no? I think Button would do it in this situation and take responsibility.
You could be right, could the comp have gone 20s lead less pitstop 24 seconds, =-4 seconds. but new tyres vs old tyres for 10 laps =2.5 seconds per lap quicker = total 25 seconds faster = make the pit stop?samvia said:
I just can't understand the reasoning behind pulling him in. It's not like they've never raced at Monaco before, they know track position is king there. Look at Vettel a few years ago on knackered tyres, yet nobody could get past.
Bonkers.
I think the teams nowadays rely heavily on computer models that don't take "overtakeability" into account(or not enough apparently), just calculate tire wear, laps and few other factors.Bonkers.
Edited by AreOut on Sunday 24th May 18:13
It could just be that stupid.
Hamilton will win the title. Rosberg can't stop him.
If Rosberg gets (got) three Monaco wins under his belt, that will up his stock. F1 being a business and all.
If I was suddenly offered and accepted a job in F1 tomorrow, and Bernie sat me down to say race fixing is in place in order to balance the books; I would not be in the least bit surprised. And don't get me wrong, I don't really care either way. It would be nice if it wasn't, but thats just not how these things work. And I don't think it's everywhere, at every race. By and large the right (or richest) and fastest teams and drivers win, but I'm am absolutely certain that there is a giant hand of God hovering over the sport clutching a length of sandpaper to smooth over certain 'happenings'.
Tin foil hat territory, yeah. But, as I said, I don't really care either way.
'the home crowed gives you an extra couple of tenths'? Yeah, course.
If Rosberg gets (got) three Monaco wins under his belt, that will up his stock. F1 being a business and all.
If I was suddenly offered and accepted a job in F1 tomorrow, and Bernie sat me down to say race fixing is in place in order to balance the books; I would not be in the least bit surprised. And don't get me wrong, I don't really care either way. It would be nice if it wasn't, but thats just not how these things work. And I don't think it's everywhere, at every race. By and large the right (or richest) and fastest teams and drivers win, but I'm am absolutely certain that there is a giant hand of God hovering over the sport clutching a length of sandpaper to smooth over certain 'happenings'.
Tin foil hat territory, yeah. But, as I said, I don't really care either way.
'the home crowed gives you an extra couple of tenths'? Yeah, course.
fatboy69 said:
Has anyone heard the full radio transmissions prior to Lewis pitting?
Asking this because a bloke on an F1 faceache group is insistant that it was Lewis's own decision to pit because his tyres were going off & he was worried that he wouldn't be able to keep Rosberg & Vettell behind him until the end of the race.
The bloke says that Toto's statement saying that the team got it wrong was made because they don't want to upset Lewis by blaimg him so they have decided to take the blame themselves!
What the team got wrong was the gap between HAM & ROS/VET so even the possibility of a pit stop should have been dismissed immediately because there would not be enough time to get HAM back out in front.Asking this because a bloke on an F1 faceache group is insistant that it was Lewis's own decision to pit because his tyres were going off & he was worried that he wouldn't be able to keep Rosberg & Vettell behind him until the end of the race.
The bloke says that Toto's statement saying that the team got it wrong was made because they don't want to upset Lewis by blaimg him so they have decided to take the blame themselves!
It does seem that the Merc team advises Lewis badly, remember Hungary last year when he was asked to give 1st place to Nico and would have lost the race had he done so, or Canada where Nico's mechanics advised him how to manage the braking problem but Lewis's mechanics didn't.
slipstream 1985 said:
You could be right, could the comp have gone 20s lead less pitstop 24 seconds, =-4 seconds. but new tyres vs old tyres for 10 laps =2.5 seconds per lap quicker = total 25 seconds faster = make the pit stop?
It could just be that stupid.
almost.It could just be that stupid.
from that Toto was saying, they were working of the gap last time they all crossed the start line, problem was as soon as the virtual SC came out that figure was rubbish (but still sown on the timing screens), then lewis got picked up by the real SC further eroding the gap.
all this is a side-show to the real issue though, who thought it was a valid strategy to bring him in at all?
even if he had a big enough gap to pull it off, where was the benefit and the risks were insane, one sticky wheel and it would have been curtains.
A serious question, maybe I'm missing the point here....
On sky, well after the race, they were talking about safety car "lines". Apparently (and this is the bit I must have misunderstood) they were allowed to go "flat out between the first and second safety car lines" That's down the main straight, around Ste Davote, and a few yards up the hill.
If that is the case, then the cars would have been driving flat out past the marshalls on the track at Ste Davote? Can't be right.
Also, I can't help thinking that this mess simply wouldn't have happened on Ross Brawn's watch. I've never understood why Merc replaced him with Toto/Niki/Paddy.
On sky, well after the race, they were talking about safety car "lines". Apparently (and this is the bit I must have misunderstood) they were allowed to go "flat out between the first and second safety car lines" That's down the main straight, around Ste Davote, and a few yards up the hill.
If that is the case, then the cars would have been driving flat out past the marshalls on the track at Ste Davote? Can't be right.
Also, I can't help thinking that this mess simply wouldn't have happened on Ross Brawn's watch. I've never understood why Merc replaced him with Toto/Niki/Paddy.
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