The Official 2015 Monaco Grand Prix thread **SPOILERS**
Discussion
BigBen said:
ewenm said:
BigBen said:
The data is not inaccurate as such but the frequency / reliability of updates is not as good as elsewhere due to the performance of the telemetry systems.
There are a few places on the track where the data could be inaccurate - the tunnel and the marina section where the lower track and the upper track are side by side - GPS locators can easily get momentary blips in data there. Then there's the issue of getting the data back to the pits as you say.The car data is fine around Monaco for doing lap overlays between runs and drivers etc but, as said, the the live update aspect can be a little bit unreliable.
Although safety is paramount I feel that overtaking at Monaco is always going to a risk and penalizing people for trying it do just makes it a procession.
I must admit I'm guilty of getting caught up in the nostalgia of Monaco but surely everything possible should be done to make it a race.
If kimi had hit the barrier would that have meant by default that ricciardo would have got a penalty...
I must admit I'm guilty of getting caught up in the nostalgia of Monaco but surely everything possible should be done to make it a race.
If kimi had hit the barrier would that have meant by default that ricciardo would have got a penalty...
Gross Jean may not have Braked or deliberately brake tested but it looked like a weave and an early lift to me which was probably designed to put Verstappen off any move..At that point though the young-un was committed to giving it a go and was closing rapidly and most likely caught out by the early lift…Being defensive is allowed but I think being erratic and lifting early is generally asking for trouble…A few will doubtless call verstappen young, in-experienced shouldn't be in F1 etc etc but to me he seems damn fast and has a very mature head on his shoulders…He has provided some of the best racing of the season so far
Massa should be the last driver to criticise after watching some of the pearlers he has been guilty of in the past!!
Maybe some of these older hands should be considering retiring to give the up and coming guys a chance!!
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Massa should be the last driver to criticise after watching some of the pearlers he has been guilty of in the past!!
Maybe some of these older hands should be considering retiring to give the up and coming guys a chance!!
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Verstappen was my man of the race. 
What he did at Monaco reminded me of Schumacher in one of his early races. I can't remember which race it was, but he was also a lap down, in an inferior car, and yet he managed to hang on to back of the leading car for a while. I thought at the time that he would be world champion one day. I can now say the same thing about Max!
Look out Lewis, you had better make the most of the next year or two, because there's a new kid on the block.
What he did at Monaco reminded me of Schumacher in one of his early races. I can't remember which race it was, but he was also a lap down, in an inferior car, and yet he managed to hang on to back of the leading car for a while. I thought at the time that he would be world champion one day. I can now say the same thing about Max!
Look out Lewis, you had better make the most of the next year or two, because there's a new kid on the block.
The Best ever Monaco race for me was watching Mansell all over the back of Senna..cannot remember the year but for me was a great show of 2 masters at the top of their games…I think the guys that slid cars and changed gears with their hands on a stick were the real drivers. especially when you consider the relative speeds.
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Dollyman1850 said:
The Best ever Monaco race for me was watching Mansell all over the back of Senna..cannot remember the year but for me was a great show of 2 masters at the top of their games…I think the guys that slid cars and changed gears with their hands on a stick were the real drivers. especially when you consider the relative speeds.
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1992, I was on the edge of my seat...N
1992, I was on the edge of my seat...
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I was there at Racasse. Lap after lap they came around and you coulld hear their rear wheels bang off the armco on the exit. They were like two Formula Ford drivers. Up to that the 1992 Monaco had been a bit boring.
Monaco deserves to be there for the sound and the athmosphere. Did the engines sound any better at Monaco this year?
And this
https://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/vi...
Great little review, including some of the Merc/HAM radio chatter (obviously don't know how comprehensive, but does seem like they could/should have been a bit more sure before giving in to his concerns )
Great little review, including some of the Merc/HAM radio chatter (obviously don't know how comprehensive, but does seem like they could/should have been a bit more sure before giving in to his concerns )
red_slr said:
Cut the first 60 seconds but yes cracking video.
So Lewis made the call - hey ho.
Lewis asked the question, the team made the decision to pit.So Lewis made the call - hey ho.
Anyone else notice that Lewis missed his pit marks by about 1/2 metre and he was stationary for 4.1 secs. If he had done that better he might have got a quicker pit stop and come out in front of ROS at the SC line.
the other me said:
https://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/vi...
Great little review, including some of the Merc/HAM radio chatter (obviously don't know how comprehensive, but does seem like they could/should have been a bit more sure before giving in to his concerns )
What would have happened if the team over ruled Hamilton and he lost the race as a result? Great little review, including some of the Merc/HAM radio chatter (obviously don't know how comprehensive, but does seem like they could/should have been a bit more sure before giving in to his concerns )
I can just imagine the reaction if the team insisted he stay out despite his concerns about cold tyres and Rosberg and Vettel had powered past on the restart, not that that would ever happen at Monaco. The team can't really ignore the driver's concerns, he's the man driving the car so is best placed to take a decision on tyres, and he's paid a lot of money for his expertise.
RYH64E said:
What would have happened if the team over ruled Hamilton and he lost the race as a result?
I can just imagine the reaction if the team insisted he stay out despite his concerns about cold tyres and Rosberg and Vettel had powered past on the restart, not that that would ever happen at Monaco. The team can't really ignore the driver's concerns, he's the man driving the car so is best placed to take a decision on tyres, and he's paid a lot of money for his expertise.
The driver doesn't have nearly as much information as the guys in the pits, who know when each car stopped, can check on rivals lap times (to get an idea of tyre deg etc).I can just imagine the reaction if the team insisted he stay out despite his concerns about cold tyres and Rosberg and Vettel had powered past on the restart, not that that would ever happen at Monaco. The team can't really ignore the driver's concerns, he's the man driving the car so is best placed to take a decision on tyres, and he's paid a lot of money for his expertise.
Yes, the driver has input but its not the defining factor. If Lewis thought everyone was going to pit and the team didn't believe that was the case they should have told him to stay out - they could have even told him to drive straight through the pit lane at the very last second - clearly Ferrari were not going to come out in to the pit lane for a stop by that time. Nico wasn't stopping and the team knew that.
In any case, its the job of the race engineer/strategist to make a call and the team management to make the decision, thats their job. People make mistakes, thats life.
They have it easy in F1 really, NASCAR is far harder - no telemetry, cars don't even run a fuel gauge and fuel usage varies far more than an F1 car, they've got to have a sixth sense for tyre wear and cautions. So, they dead reckon on fuel, make their calls (2 or 4 tyres ? fuel only ? tires only ? lap 152 or 154?) and keep an eye on the other 42 cars.
A good crew chief is worth his weight in gold.
Crafty_ said:
The driver doesn't have nearly as much information as the guys in the pits, who know when each car stopped, can check on rivals lap times (to get an idea of tyre deg etc).
Yes, the driver has input but its not the defining factor.
It seems to me that when a driver makes a good call to switch to dry/intermediate/slick tyres he's a genius, and when he gets it completely wrong it's the teams fault. Yes, the driver has input but its not the defining factor.
RYH64E said:
Crafty_ said:
The driver doesn't have nearly as much information as the guys in the pits, who know when each car stopped, can check on rivals lap times (to get an idea of tyre deg etc).
Yes, the driver has input but its not the defining factor.
It seems to me that when a driver makes a good call to switch to dry/intermediate/slick tyres he's a genius, and when he gets it completely wrong it's the teams fault. Yes, the driver has input but its not the defining factor.
the trick is for the pit wall to keep the driver in the picture, for whatever reason, this did not happen in Monaco for Lewis.
RYH64E said:
Crafty_ said:
The driver doesn't have nearly as much information as the guys in the pits, who know when each car stopped, can check on rivals lap times (to get an idea of tyre deg etc).
Yes, the driver has input but its not the defining factor.
It seems to me that when a driver makes a good call to switch to dry/intermediate/slick tyres he's a genius, and when he gets it completely wrong it's the teams fault. Yes, the driver has input but its not the defining factor.
Hopefully, this will be forgotten after next weekend, it has become rather boring, especially when it's been clear for some time now what actually happened; just one of those things..........
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