Refuelling back for 2017

[Eric Mc]

Racers are selfish (naturally). As you say, they like going as fast as possible. They [probably aren't the best people to judge what is best for the sport.

You might as well ask them to take a pay cut to assist the finances of their teams.

[Vaud]

Eric Mc said:

Racers are selfish (naturally). As you say, they like going as fast as possible. They [probably aren't the best people to judge what is best for the sport.

You might as well ask them to take a pay cut to assist the finances of their teams.

Quite. So he is expressing an opinion which as you say is based on his racing instincts. To connect that with his "bang on the head" is disingenuous.

[Eric Mc]

It was a joke.

[MissChief]

Both the teams and the drivers should not be in charge of have any say in the rules and regulations at all. The organiser should be completely and utterly neutral to any of the wants and desires of the participants who will rarely, if ever, have the best long term interests of the sport at heart. They will always try to sway the FIA into whatever they think will give them the best advantage. Witness Ferrari continually asking for in season testing to be allowed again, simply because they have a track they can use at the factory as an example.

There needs to be a complete change in how the regulations are drafted, how much say the teams have (I.e. None) and how the money is distributed. Of course none of these will happen.

[Eric Mc]

It's what they grew up with - so they like it. I think it's crap to be honest. Watching people stick hoses in a car is not my idea of excitement.

[Crafty_]

Eric Mc said:

It's what they grew up with - so they like it. I think it's crap to be honest. Watching people stick hoses in a car is not my idea of excitement.

But you'd rather they went around for ~60 laps on a rock hard tyre because you don't want to see any pit stops.

Horses for courses...

[Eric Mc]

Stick to horse racing then.

[andyps]

Gaz. said:

ash73 said:

I hope the FIA listens and understands fans want to see cars on the limit; and drivers taking risks.

Yet the tyres won't let them.

Not as presently the case, but they easily could if that was the requirement.

[MissChief]

Hopefully the free choice of tyre should lead to a more varied strategy from the teams.

[Esseesse]

Eric Mc said:

It's what they grew up with - so they like it. I think it's crap to be honest. Watching people stick hoses in a car is not my idea of excitement.

I grew up with it, and I like it.

At the very least it means teams can run different fuel strategies, greatly improving chances for performance overlap or reversal between them and their competitors.

[MissChief]

Esseesse said:

Eric Mc said:

It's what they grew up with - so they like it. I think it's crap to be honest. Watching people stick hoses in a car is not my idea of excitement.

I grew up with it, and I like it.

At the very least it means teams can run different fuel strategies, greatly improving chances for performance overlap or reversal between them and their competitors.

The problem then, as it was before, is the dreaded 'pass in the pits' where one driver uses pit strategy to get ahead of another. Some would say it's clever strategy and applaud, the casual fan would much rather see the pass made on track.

[Esseesse]

MissChief said:

Esseesse said:

Eric Mc said:

It's what they grew up with - so they like it. I think it's crap to be honest. Watching people stick hoses in a car is not my idea of excitement.

I grew up with it, and I like it.

At the very least it means teams can run different fuel strategies, greatly improving chances for performance overlap or reversal between them and their competitors.

The problem then, as it was before, is the dreaded 'pass in the pits' where one driver uses pit strategy to get ahead of another. Some would say it's clever strategy and applaud, the casual fan would much rather see the pass made on track.

For the lead cars, the current preferred passing strategy seems to be the 'undercut'.

[Munter]

MissChief said:

The problem then, as it was before, is the dreaded 'pass in the pits' where one driver uses pit strategy to get ahead of another. Some would say it's clever strategy and applaud, the casual fan would much rather see the pass made on track.

The casual fan want's to see a big crash and someone getting hurt...

[Eric Mc]

And that isn't just the so called "casual" fan.

I'm not sure such a person exists really.

[entropy]

Esseesse said:

Eric Mc said:

It's what they grew up with - so they like it. I think it's crap to be honest. Watching people stick hoses in a car is not my idea of excitement.

I grew up with it, and I like it.

At the very least it means teams can run different fuel strategies, greatly improving chances for performance overlap or reversal between them and their competitors.

I grew up with it and hated it and because it promoted pit passing and engineers playing chess. Stuck behind a car? Save fuel, hope the car ahead pits earlier and then bang out some banzai laps, pit, banzai out lap and hey presto you've 'passed' a car.

Given the fuss over pit deltas you wouldn't have varying degrees of strategies unless you were forced to run crap tyres.

[Esseesse]

entropy said:

Esseesse said:

Eric Mc said:

It's what they grew up with - so they like it. I think it's crap to be honest. Watching people stick hoses in a car is not my idea of excitement.

I grew up with it, and I like it.

At the very least it means teams can run different fuel strategies, greatly improving chances for performance overlap or reversal between them and their competitors.

I grew up with it and hated it and because it promoted pit passing and engineers playing chess. Stuck behind a car? Save fuel, hope the car ahead pits earlier and then bang out some banzai laps, pit, banzai out lap and hey presto you've 'passed' a car.

Given the fuss over pit deltas you wouldn't have varying degrees of strategies unless you were forced to run crap tyres.

I grew up with it but was too young to question it, and just accepted that that was what F1 was and they had to fill up the cars like my dad.

[Eric Mc]

Esseesse said:

I grew up with it but was too young to question it, and just accepted that that was what F1 was and they had to fill up the cars like my dad.

I grew up with it - without it - with it - without it.

On the whole, I prefer it without.

[Klippie]

Smollet said:

Not quite how you think having a car stationary whilst it's refuelled is racing but each to their own I guess

What that v's heavy fuel loaded cars out for a quiet drive till they burn off enough go at a decent pace.

Remember the pit crews are also racing against each other to turn their drivers around the quickest.

[The Moose]

I always preferred it with refueling.

Lots of passes are done in the pits and have been for the last year or two.

The only way to make it interesting, in my opinion, would be to have 1 set of tyres for the race (you can change that one tyre if you get a puncture) that don't go off after a few laps - they may well be rock solid, but if everyone has the same then that's ok.

[andyps]

If going backwards to allow refuelling maybe it would be more bearable if they go further back with something else and ban radio communication between car and driver so they go back to a pit board only and the driver having to make decisions based around very limited information. That way the pit stops would be less strategic and may lead to the requirement to ensure passes happen on track rather than being told it is OK to stay behind a car because of different strategies.