Minardis, V10 Start Up Videos, Engines, Cool Stuff etc. :)
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So all of these have now been seen in public at various displays last year so now we can share the videos.
Every start up is filmed for future reference so these are very much rough and straight out the workshop/my day job.
M198 Fire Up and gear check. This had just had new Moogs for clutch and gearbox control so important to check bias etc. is correct and the controllers are achieving their targets quickly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1fjwjg7TQo
M02 Chassis 2. First fire up in well over a decade. This was a bit of a scary one as the engine had been in a flight case for 11 years and untouched before it went into the chassis. Worked a treat though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFYiGyRSP9w
PS01 ex Alonso Chassis 1. Again a first fire up after being in storage a long time. Few gearbox issues on this one during the test with the barrel failing to get onto position in a sensible time frame. Some hyds work solved that and the car ran at Anglesey a few days after this video was taken. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y86Rh3wgWAM
M198 again from the back end of 2013. This actually sounds pretty brutal but is only going to half the rev limit! We had been having some issues with this car in terms of blip quality and throttle response so had made some changes to the engine calibration and swapped throttle moogs. Fast transients like this are really hard to do on the dyno as the inertia of the dyno itself blunts the engine response considerably. All solved in this video though . https://youtu.be/fs5-brFzWoU
And another M198 but this time Chassis 3 in original 98 livery. This was a proper hail mary as it arrived minus hyds and electronics with a shed load of other stuff missing but the engine and box were meant to be brand spanking. As the air valves held pressure and a crank test showed good oil pressure and good scav we didn't have a lot of choice but to fire it at that point. First fire up since 1999 and it was keen to go! https://youtu.be/vAyu9-o3lNI
Back to the old school here with a Renault RE30. These turbo era cars are so easy to run in comparison to our usual stuff as they just require fluids in, pre heat and a bump off the starter. In comparison to the several man hours required to start a V10 car it's a nice change! https://youtu.be/eHapiUB3_d0
Oh and more turbo stuff with a 415T powered Beatrice: https://youtu.be/TOVrQdgJi6c
Fondmetal V10 on the dyno now singing at somewhere north of 14K RPM and making 700bhp. Just a quick blat to make sure all was well before it went in the car. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYDVXjFHW1Q
And some V8 action with an 96 Customer spec ED. Some serious stand off at 11K RPM! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMiP8EBfqfI
Good demo of how fast the throttles on a V10 F1 are: https://youtu.be/hdhMmmfI6go
Some carbon induction porn down the trumpets of a JD V10 showing stand off injector action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndq4a_3926s
Hope that lot makes good and interesting viewing!
Every start up is filmed for future reference so these are very much rough and straight out the workshop/my day job.
M198 Fire Up and gear check. This had just had new Moogs for clutch and gearbox control so important to check bias etc. is correct and the controllers are achieving their targets quickly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1fjwjg7TQo
M02 Chassis 2. First fire up in well over a decade. This was a bit of a scary one as the engine had been in a flight case for 11 years and untouched before it went into the chassis. Worked a treat though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFYiGyRSP9wPS01 ex Alonso Chassis 1. Again a first fire up after being in storage a long time. Few gearbox issues on this one during the test with the barrel failing to get onto position in a sensible time frame. Some hyds work solved that and the car ran at Anglesey a few days after this video was taken. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y86Rh3wgWAM
M198 again from the back end of 2013. This actually sounds pretty brutal but is only going to half the rev limit! We had been having some issues with this car in terms of blip quality and throttle response so had made some changes to the engine calibration and swapped throttle moogs. Fast transients like this are really hard to do on the dyno as the inertia of the dyno itself blunts the engine response considerably. All solved in this video though . https://youtu.be/fs5-brFzWoU
And another M198 but this time Chassis 3 in original 98 livery. This was a proper hail mary as it arrived minus hyds and electronics with a shed load of other stuff missing but the engine and box were meant to be brand spanking. As the air valves held pressure and a crank test showed good oil pressure and good scav we didn't have a lot of choice but to fire it at that point. First fire up since 1999 and it was keen to go! https://youtu.be/vAyu9-o3lNI
Back to the old school here with a Renault RE30. These turbo era cars are so easy to run in comparison to our usual stuff as they just require fluids in, pre heat and a bump off the starter. In comparison to the several man hours required to start a V10 car it's a nice change! https://youtu.be/eHapiUB3_d0
Oh and more turbo stuff with a 415T powered Beatrice: https://youtu.be/TOVrQdgJi6c
Fondmetal V10 on the dyno now singing at somewhere north of 14K RPM and making 700bhp. Just a quick blat to make sure all was well before it went in the car. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYDVXjFHW1Q
And some V8 action with an 96 Customer spec ED. Some serious stand off at 11K RPM! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMiP8EBfqfI
Good demo of how fast the throttles on a V10 F1 are: https://youtu.be/hdhMmmfI6go
Some carbon induction porn down the trumpets of a JD V10 showing stand off injector action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndq4a_3926s
Hope that lot makes good and interesting viewing!
Slyjoe said:
Wow - we need more of the story please...
I work for an automotive engineering company, part of our remit is the on going support and development of V10 and late V8 era F1 cars. Slyjoe said:
How come you are able to work on these - who owns them?
Because we can bring them back to working condition. The last question isn't one to answer I'm afraid.Slyjoe said:
For me - where do you get spares and stuff? do you have to re-manufacture from original cad?
Hardly ever have the original CAD, we just design new bits to suit or sometimes have a second complete chassis we can copy bits from. Mechanical bits are the easy bit, electronics and software is much more difficult, we develop a lot of electronics in house to replace parts which are out of life/missing (e.g. replacement gear controllers, body control, throttle controllers etc. etc.). We also have (we believe) the last functioning MM STEP F1 electronics lab and support STEP6, STEP8 and STEP10 controllers including code development. Oh and a gearbox dyno, hyds lab (still using L030/E050 test rigs from around Arrows demise!) etc. etc.Slyjoe said:
Believe me - engine starts now are not nearly so emotional.
We do a bit with current stuff too. I'll take a V10 any day thanks! Couple more.
Timelapse of an M02 refresh, this ones quite well known I think?. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_5hbKsLZDQ
Some fly bys at Zandvoort from M02, PS01 (wearing PS02s clothes) and PS04B. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_JI1g9MVDo
Timelapse of an M02 refresh, this ones quite well known I think?. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_5hbKsLZDQ
Some fly bys at Zandvoort from M02, PS01 (wearing PS02s clothes) and PS04B. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_JI1g9MVDo
How much BHP is that old Fondmetal V10 producing and what is the rev limit on it?
I remember back in 1998, I used to confuse the M198 Minardi with the Mclaren MP413 from afar.
The Minardis were always a tightly packaged car and quite good too but engine power really hampered them from what I understand.
I remember back in 1998, I used to confuse the M198 Minardi with the Mclaren MP413 from afar.
The Minardis were always a tightly packaged car and quite good too but engine power really hampered them from what I understand.
Schermerhorn said:
How much BHP is that old Fondmetal V10 producing and what is the rev limit on it?
I remember back in 1998, I used to confuse the M198 Minardi with the Mclaren MP413 from afar.
The Minardis were always a tightly packaged car and quite good too but engine power really hampered them from what I understand.
The last evolution run in 2001 in the PS01 was making around 735bhp in qualifying spec at 16,500rpm odd. It was about 50bhp down on most other engines of the time but was a design stemming from the JD in 1996 so not too bad really! I remember back in 1998, I used to confuse the M198 Minardi with the Mclaren MP413 from afar.
The Minardis were always a tightly packaged car and quite good too but engine power really hampered them from what I understand.
Minardi always built a brilliant car. They're innovation and skill made up a lot of ground on those with larger budgets and they came up with a lot of new tech as well as acting as a dev partner for several other teams. The rapid cast Ti gearbox was a Minardi first and they ran passive FRIC in 1993! They're biggest issues were always engine power (they nearly always had a three year + old power unit) and budget for wind tunnel time, the aero was just no where near as developed as those with greater budgets. Electronics were always a budget constrained item as well, they ran essentially the same ECU and engine from 1999 to 2001.
poppopbangbang said:
Schermerhorn said:
How much BHP is that old Fondmetal V10 producing and what is the rev limit on it?
I remember back in 1998, I used to confuse the M198 Minardi with the Mclaren MP413 from afar.
The Minardis were always a tightly packaged car and quite good too but engine power really hampered them from what I understand.
The last evolution run in 2001 in the PS01 was making around 735bhp in qualifying spec at 16,500rpm odd. It was about 50bhp down on most other engines of the time but was a design stemming from the JD in 1996 so not too bad really! I remember back in 1998, I used to confuse the M198 Minardi with the Mclaren MP413 from afar.
The Minardis were always a tightly packaged car and quite good too but engine power really hampered them from what I understand.
Minardi always built a brilliant car. They're innovation and skill made up a lot of ground on those with larger budgets and they came up with a lot of new tech as well as acting as a dev partner for several other teams. The rapid cast Ti gearbox was a Minardi first and they ran passive FRIC in 1993! They're biggest issues were always engine power (they nearly always had a three year + old power unit) and budget for wind tunnel time, the aero was just no where near as developed as those with greater budgets. Electronics were always a budget constrained item as well, they ran essentially the same ECU and engine from 1999 to 2001.
When they morphed into Torro Rosso and Vettel won with them in Monza 2008, that was such a special race!
A lot of their technical staff, Gustav Brunner, were poached by bigger companies and had much more success if I recall correctly.
Some more noise for you all. Launch and gear check at Santa Pod https://youtu.be/zEg7bnT4URw
poppopbangbang said:
Some more noise for you all. Launch and gear check at Santa Pod https://youtu.be/zEg7bnT4URw
Thats a bit rough on launch, is it by design?Warmfuzzies said:
Thats a bit rough on launch, is it by design?
It's just on the launch limiter. It locks the maximum RPM and throttle opening to specific values dependant on clutch position and if a gear is selected or not. Stops the driver cooking the clutch or just making smoke on launch.vonuber said:
Just out of interest do you take any precautions given what happened to María de Villota?
The ASS and LCS is implemented totally differently on our cars and all run FIA spec DBW safety so the chances of them doing a "herbie" are small to none. Aside from that it's only sensible to leave tail lifts closed or at 45 degrees (if it's a cantilever so the rams are tucked up).Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff