The Official 2015 Canadian Grand Prix thread **SPOILERS**

The Official 2015 Canadian Grand Prix thread **SPOILERS**

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thegreenhell

15,115 posts

218 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Ferrari are said to be bringing a significant engine upgrade to Canada.

James Allen said:
Canada is the next round and, according to Gazetta, Ferrari will have a significant upgrade on the engine, which is believed to have used up half their remaining development ‘tokens’. Canada is a race which Ferrari has always traditionally targeted for upgrades over the years.

This will be the team’s third power unit this season, with the target to use a fourth for Monza and then rotate engines for the rest of the season. A fifth may be needed – or may be tactically employed – at a race where it is easy to overtake to compensate for the ten place grid penalty a completely new unit demands.

IainT

10,040 posts

237 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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thegreenhell said:
Ferrari are said to be bringing a significant engine upgrade to Canada.
If it brings about the gain that's been bandied around it will make it really interesting. More power should mean higher fuel use though so some trade-off there or more of the race saving fuel.

Mr_Thyroid

1,995 posts

226 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Could be a good track for Ferrari:

Heavy braking - Mercedes have a history of brake problems.
Abrasive surface - Ferrari are easier on their tyres.

Crafty_

13,248 posts

199 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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thegreenhell said:
Ferrari are said to be bringing a significant engine upgrade to Canada.

James Allen said:
Canada is the next round and, according to Gazetta, Ferrari will have a significant upgrade on the engine, which is believed to have used up half their remaining development ‘tokens’. Canada is a race which Ferrari has always traditionally targeted for upgrades over the years.

This will be the team’s third power unit this season, with the target to use a fourth for Monza and then rotate engines for the rest of the season. A fifth may be needed – or may be tactically employed – at a race where it is easy to overtake to compensate for the ten place grid penalty a completely new unit demands.
Arrivabene told journos at Monaco that the upgrade wasn't going to Canada.

This might or might not have something to do with the FIA suggesting they are going to tighten up on the "safety upgrade" loophole that has been exploited for some years now.

IainT

10,040 posts

237 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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Mr_Thyroid said:
Could be a good track for Ferrari:

Heavy braking - Mercedes have a history of brake problems.
Abrasive surface - Ferrari are easier on their tyres.
Both great points. Not sure how easy Ferrari will be on their rear tyres if they have the mooted 40-60 hp gain from the engine upgrades though.

Vaud

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50,291 posts

154 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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IainT said:
Both great points. Not sure how easy Ferrari will be on their rear tyres if they have the mooted 40-60 hp gain from the engine upgrades though.
But it isn't about the power - it's about how it is applied, throttle response, etc. Increased HP doesn't necessarily equate to increased tyre wear.

IainT

10,040 posts

237 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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Vaud said:
IainT said:
Both great points. Not sure how easy Ferrari will be on their rear tyres if they have the mooted 40-60 hp gain from the engine upgrades though.
But it isn't about the power - it's about how it is applied, throttle response, etc. Increased HP doesn't necessarily equate to increased tyre wear.
Granted it's not a linear comparison and a car with better aero, geometry and mapping will apply greater power with less wear upping the power is likely to increase wear even if it's only a little. They will likely tweak maps to limit power at lower gear/RPM but that is already the case.

Note I didn't state that they would be harder on their rears, just that it's not a given. The gap between them and Merc on tyre wear isn't that large at the kind of track temps we'll see in Canada.

Crafty_

13,248 posts

199 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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IainT said:
Both great points. Not sure how easy Ferrari will be on their rear tyres if they have the mooted 40-60 hp gain from the engine upgrades though.
Ferrari are not bringing an engine upgrade to Canada.

VolvoT5

4,155 posts

173 months

Friday 29th May 2015
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Crafty_ said:
Ferrari are not bringing an engine upgrade to Canada.
That is a shame. They really need to close the gap and Canada is usually a power circuit isn't it?

Oh well.

Dr Z

3,396 posts

170 months

Friday 29th May 2015
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ash73 said:
Crafty_ said:
Ferrari are not bringing an engine upgrade to Canada.
Are you sure Arrivabene is telling the truth...?
Yep, Ferrari are being tactical with this, so we may never know when they are bringing an upgrade. But, we know for a fact that tokens are tied to each PU allocation, so when they are ready to introduce a new PU we could assume that they might have used tokens/upgrades. If it was a 'safety' modification, other teams come to know about it and approve, before being ratified by the FIA, IIRC.

Crafty_

13,248 posts

199 months

Friday 29th May 2015
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Just read on Autosport that Williams are taking an upgrade to Canada and then a bigger one to Austria.

So, with Ferrari delaying their engine upgrade can Williams catch them ? I think Canada will suit the Williams, fast track, lots of breaking, a fairly low downforce track, but we know the Ferrari is good, so will not be a walkover.

Clearly its going to hurt Red Bull and McLaren. I assume that the recent upgrades Red Bull have made will keep them ahead of STR?

Far as the Mercs go, I don't think Ferrari will be quick enough to catch them. Psychological battle between the drivers, tense time in the garage too - they've got to be clever enough to adapt strategy as the race progresses, if they become too rigid and unable to make decisions quickly they'll throw away another one. This will be important if there is rain.
Lewis has won here 3 times, Nico never quite managed it (yet).

ETA: Merc bringing an upgraded engine to Canada. Presumably to combat the Ferrari upgrade that has now been delayed? http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/9869288/me...

Be interesting to see which Merc runners use a new engine here

Edited by Crafty_ on Friday 29th May 22:11

HustleRussell

24,602 posts

159 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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I hope it rains, just to give some of the underdogs a fighting chance... Although I reckon Lewis will win either way.

suffolk009

5,344 posts

164 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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Crafty_ said:
Be interesting to see which Merc runners use a new engine here

Edited by Crafty_ on Friday 29th May 22:11
I'd thought they all had to use the updated engines. Or do they shuffle them in as part of the four per season?

Crafty_

13,248 posts

199 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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I was reading up on stuff and you are correct, this requires all Merc runners to use the same engine.

Some conjecture/rumour that Ferrari are bringing an upgrade to Canada but are trying to hide it from Merc but no solid proof.

Crafty_

13,248 posts

199 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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Yes, so he gets screwed..

If Ferrari run a new version isn't Kimi in the same boat ? Could be why they are delaying (if they are) ?

ETA: Merc have also now done a u-turn, Canada engines to have reliability improvements only. http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-holds-f...

Edited by Crafty_ on Saturday 30th May 13:32

Dr Z

3,396 posts

170 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/119270...

So Ferrari and Honda are bringing a new PU spec to Canada then.

Why the secrecy by Ferrari if Uncle Charlie just issues a directive to all teams informing of token usage? I don't get it.


RobGT81

5,227 posts

185 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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They were always bringing new cylinder heads to Canada.

ajprice

27,321 posts

195 months

Thursday 4th June 2015
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Canada press conference handbags at dawn: Massa says Verstappen is dangerous again, Verstappen reminds him about Canada last year hehe

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/119303

Vaud

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50,291 posts

154 months

Thursday 4th June 2015
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Massa, whilst I like him as a driver and bit of a cheeky chappy, had quite the reputation as a younger driver... "crash bandicoot" was my nickname for him...

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Thursday 4th June 2015
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Vaud said:
Massa, whilst I like him as a driver and bit of a cheeky chappy, had quite the reputation as a younger driver... "crash bandicoot" was my nickname for him...
Although he did great ballerina impressions if it rained...