Does Monaco have a place in the f1 calendar?

Does Monaco have a place in the f1 calendar?

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swisstoni

16,997 posts

279 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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Go to the Monaco GP and then you'll know.

RYH64E

7,960 posts

244 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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It depends upon your view as to the purpose of F1, if F1 is primarily a sport where drivers race each other round a track then no, Monaco has no place on the calendar, if however the purpose of F1 is a) to make money for Bernie et al, and b) to serve as a marketing tool to help the manufacturers sell cars, then yes, Monaco is an ideal venue.

Pints

18,444 posts

194 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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Eric Mc said:
I love Monaco - just for the spactacularness of the place. The opening shots of the film Grand Prix hooked me into the place as an 8 year old back in 1967 and I still love the fact that the circuit is still largely recognisable from that era. Long may it continue.
You're arguing to keep a track on the current, modern F1 calendar purely for the sake nostalgia?

I respect your views on most things, Eric, but in this instance I most certainly disagree with you and, based on your argument, I'd suggest you're wrong.

swisstoni

16,997 posts

279 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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It's also fun.

Nigel_O

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2,889 posts

219 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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I have no doubt that as an event its unbeatable - a showcase for all the shiny people of the world and (as already mentioned) an awful lot of business is done in the GP week - lots of corporate events going on

However, as an actual motor race, it has to be pretty near the bottom of the list

deadslow

7,999 posts

223 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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It really works as a race if you are watching the top drivers, who can pass. However, more often than not the top drivers have too much to lose to 'go Max' at Monaco. I think LH could have come past SV, but he went a bit flat after the situation sunk in.

wibble cb

3,605 posts

207 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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So long as its still there in 7 years, as I am angling for a 50th b day trip.....(40th was to the canadian GP).

MissChief

7,110 posts

168 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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It won't ever be gone. The teams won't stand for it, the Sponsors won't stand for it and I'm not sure the drivers would either. It may be a 'bad' track but it's one that demands absolute concentration from the drivers for the whole race. I doubt Bernie could get rid of it even if he wanted to. The track pays no hosting fee to the FIA or Bernie at all, the only track to not pay anything. It's not like Bernie could price them out of the race. It's here to stay.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

196 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Strange all the top drivers seem to love it too, most relish the challenge driving

ewenm

28,506 posts

245 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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If you were designing a "new F1" championship from scratch then Monaco wouldn't have a place. However, F1 is as much about the racing now as it is about the history and in that context Monaco does have a place. I suspect Monaco is the place that the sponsors see the best return on their investment and without sponsors, F1 is dead.

upsidedownmark

2,120 posts

135 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Yes it does, 'racing' goes far deeper than just banging door handles (appreciating there are no doors on F1 cars..)

Said it before and I'll no doubt say it again: If you want gratuitous overtakes and punting people into the scenery every 2nd corner, there are plenty of lower formulae (eg touring cars) that fill that niche. IMHO they aren't 'racing' because it's contrived, but anyway..

F1 is a little bit more nuanced.

Eric Mc

122,029 posts

265 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Pints said:
Eric Mc said:
I love Monaco - just for the spactacularness of the place. The opening shots of the film Grand Prix hooked me into the place as an 8 year old back in 1967 and I still love the fact that the circuit is still largely recognisable from that era. Long may it continue.
You're arguing to keep a track on the current, modern F1 calendar purely for the sake nostalgia?

I respect your views on most things, Eric, but in this instance I most certainly disagree with you and, based on your argument, I'd suggest you're wrong.
No, it doesn't suggest I'm wrong. It just suggests you hold a different view.

I always enjoy Monaco and it has thrown up some cracking surprises over the year.

greygoose

8,260 posts

195 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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There are a few dull tracks on the calendar, Monaco will stay due to the sponsors and image it represents for the sport.

RYH64E

7,960 posts

244 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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ewenm said:
If you were designing a "new F1" championship from scratch then Monaco wouldn't have a place. However, F1 is as much about the racing now as it is about the history and in that context Monaco does have a place. I suspect Monaco is the place that the sponsors see the best return on their investment and without sponsors, F1 is dead.
That rather depends upon who is putting together the championship schedule and what they're trying to achieve. There's often talk of new street circuits being added to the calendar, for instance Bernie would like to see races held in London and New Jersey, not because they would make for an exciting race but because of the location and the spectacle. Whether the fans like it or not (and I don't), F1 is first and foremost a business and the needs of the sponsors and manufacturers are perceived as being more important than those of the fans.

suffolk009

5,393 posts

165 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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This is a nice little film on the 1969 Monaco race.

It was famous for being the race that banned aerofoils (the big tall high-up ones). In fact, there's a throw away line by the commentator near the end, he says "aerofoils have been banned once and for all". I wish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FnyurCfTsQ

Eric Mc

122,029 posts

265 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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How about this - BBC coverage of the 1965 race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKb9FixAFjw

eps

6,297 posts

269 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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swisstoni said:
Go to the Monaco GP and then you'll know.
This.

What they should do is pop in a Tilkesque (and I almost can't believe I'm suggesting this!!) straight, followed by a hairpin, to double back.. Where would they put this?? Out across the harbour!! Then that would mean all of Monaco can remain but then you would guarantee some overtaking or at least an opportunity to overtake. Maybe from the corner just after the tunnel exit...

Eric Mc

122,029 posts

265 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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If you look at the 1965 footage, you will see they had such a corner - called the Gasworks Hairpin. When the circuit was reprofiled in 1973 they lost that corner and the area is now known as Rascasse.

eps

6,297 posts

269 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Eric Mc said:
If you look at the 1965 footage, you will see they had such a corner - called the Gasworks Hairpin. When the circuit was reprofiled in 1973 they lost that corner and the area is now known as Rascasse.
The Gasworks Hairpin, how very Monaco!! wink

Eric Mc

122,029 posts

265 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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And the Station Hairpin - which still exists - although the station is long gone.