Lewis stopping on the slow down lap Monaco

Lewis stopping on the slow down lap Monaco

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HTP99

22,586 posts

141 months

Friday 5th June 2015
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007 VXR said:
HTP99 said:
However, now that it seems that he was just as much to blame for the cock up, .
????????? confused ???????????
I was under the assumption it was a joint decision between Hamilton and the pit wall?

007 VXR

64,187 posts

188 months

Friday 5th June 2015
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HTP99 said:
007 VXR said:
HTP99 said:
However, now that it seems that he was just as much to blame for the cock up, .
????????? confused ???????????
I was under the assumption it was a joint decision between Hamilton and the pit wall?
Mercs decision..

p1stonhead

25,576 posts

168 months

Friday 5th June 2015
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Full radio discussion between Lewis and his Engineer here;

http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/vid...

Lewis was concerned about tyres after having his pit call cancelled by the team so they changed their mind for a second time and brought him in. They obviously miscalculated those behind. Team cock up as far as I can tell they should have known car positions and made Lewis aware he would have to make do with the tyres he had.

Vaud

50,609 posts

156 months

Friday 5th June 2015
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p1stonhead said:
Full radio discussion between Lewis and his Engineer here;

http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/vid...

Lewis was concerned about tyres after having his pit call cancelled by the team so they changed their mind for a second time and brought him in. They obviously miscalculated those behind. Team cock up as far as I can tell they should have known car positions and made Lewis aware he would have to make do with the tyres he had.
Fascinating, thanks for sharing.

So many modes to process. So much "stay positive".

HardtopManual

2,434 posts

167 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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"Stay positive" refers to the lap delta under the virtual safety car, not his mental state!

rscott

14,773 posts

192 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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ash73 said:
radio said:
PB: "Okay, so we are now staying out. Staying out. Staying out. Just confirm on the radio."

LH: "Guys, that's not good. These tyres have lost all their temperature. Everyone is going to be on options now."

PB: "Okay. Copy, copy. Box, box. Box, box."
Sounds like Lewis made the call.
Sounds more like the team screwed up - that last message should have been 'negative Lewis - it doesn't look like anyone else is pitting'. They're in a better position than Hamilton to know what's actually happening in the pit lane but didn't share that info with him.

HTP99

22,586 posts

141 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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To me it sounds like six of one and half a dozen of the other.

rscott

14,773 posts

192 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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Before you even responded I knew you were still going to blame Hamilton. I didn't think for one moment that you would possibly miss this opportunity to criticise him.

The team said at the time that the screwed up by getting the gap Lewis had to the following cars wrong. As they'd overestimated the gap, they probably didn't see an extra stop as being so harmful. They could have waved him through once they saw Ferarru weren't going to stop and he'd still have kept the lead.

The team say it was their mistake, why should Hamilton have to discuss it further?

HTP99

22,586 posts

141 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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rscott said:
Before you even responded I knew you were still going to blame Hamilton. I didn't think for one moment that you would possibly miss this opportunity to criticise him.

The team said at the time that the screwed up by getting the gap Lewis had to the following cars wrong. As they'd overestimated the gap, they probably didn't see an extra stop as being so harmful. They could have waved him through once they saw Ferarru weren't going to stop and he'd still have kept the lead.

The team say it was their mistake, why should Hamilton have to discuss it further?
Where have I blamed Hamilton?

6 of one and half a dozen of the other means 50/50; both Hamilton and the team made the wrong call, the team pulled him in, Hamilton gave them the information to do this.

rscott

14,773 posts

192 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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HTP99 said:
rscott said:
Before you even responded I knew you were still going to blame Hamilton. I didn't think for one moment that you would possibly miss this opportunity to criticise him.

The team said at the time that the screwed up by getting the gap Lewis had to the following cars wrong. As they'd overestimated the gap, they probably didn't see an extra stop as being so harmful. They could have waved him through once they saw Ferarru weren't going to stop and he'd still have kept the lead.

The team say it was their mistake, why should Hamilton have to discuss it further?
Where have I blamed Hamilton?

6 of one and half a dozen of the other means 50/50; both Hamilton and the team made the wrong call, the team pulled him in, Hamilton gave them the information to do this.
I was responding to ash73 - he's not exactly a fan of Lewis.

HTP99

22,586 posts

141 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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rscott said:
HTP99 said:
rscott said:
Before you even responded I knew you were still going to blame Hamilton. I didn't think for one moment that you would possibly miss this opportunity to criticise him.

The team said at the time that the screwed up by getting the gap Lewis had to the following cars wrong. As they'd overestimated the gap, they probably didn't see an extra stop as being so harmful. They could have waved him through once they saw Ferarru weren't going to stop and he'd still have kept the lead.

The team say it was their mistake, why should Hamilton have to discuss it further?
Where have I blamed Hamilton?

6 of one and half a dozen of the other means 50/50; both Hamilton and the team made the wrong call, the team pulled him in, Hamilton gave them the information to do this.
I was responding to ash73 - he's not exactly a fan of Lewis.
Ok, apologies.

Vaud

50,609 posts

156 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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HardtopManual said:
"Stay positive" refers to the lap delta under the virtual safety car, not his mental state!
Ahh. Silly me.

rscott

14,773 posts

192 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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ash73 said:
If it was any other driver he would be lambasted for overruling the team and pitting 10 laps from the end at Monaco; and letting them take the blame for it.
Like I said, if the team thought it was a bad move, why didn't they wave him through.

If it was any other driver, then I think you'd be agreeing with the majority of posters that it wz a team mistake and not insisting it was all the driver's fault.

ZX10R NIN

27,642 posts

126 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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It should have but didn't they gave Lewis's opinion a bit to much clout, they made a mistake it was the perfect storm what with going from a Virtual Safety Car to a Normal One, losing time behind the safety car plus losing time in the pit due to a Sauber coming in which probably cost him second place. Let's not forget we're talking about 2.9 seconds as the difference between 1st & 3rd at that point

Jasandjules

69,936 posts

230 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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rscott said:
Like I said, if the team thought it was a bad move, why didn't they wave him through.
This is the bit I don't understand. When he came in if rather than stop they'd just waved him on he'd have still been in the lead, albeit with a detour....