What F1 should be, in my view. How can we get this back?

What F1 should be, in my view. How can we get this back?

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kiseca

9,339 posts

219 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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hmmm, not Tyrrell's raised nose, Ferrari's automated gearbox or Williams's active suspension?

Eric Mc

122,037 posts

265 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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I'd give you the raised nose as it's still around - after a fashion. The others eventually got outlawed.

kiseca

9,339 posts

219 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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The flappy paddles are still used. Do you mean the preprogrammed block shifts and all that? I suppose that was the stuff that made it really automated.

Ah, and Active suspension saw more races than the twin chassis car wink

Eric Mc

122,037 posts

265 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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Yes - some lasted longer than others.

We had aerodynamic sidepods from 1978 to 1982 - and then they got banned.

The word "banned" is far too prevalent in the regulations these days.

kiseca

9,339 posts

219 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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Yep! The teams seem to have too much control. The mass damper was another example. When it's cheaper or better / more effective to fight innovation in the stewards offices rather than on the drawing board there's something wrong.

Driller

8,310 posts

278 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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They just need to cut way back on the aero IMO both front wing and down force. Someone mentioned earlier having a one piece front wing-brilliant idea.

This will allow cars to get closer and overtake without destroying their tyres. Look at superbikes (no aero) and look at F1 before aero, much more interesting.

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

279 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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a figure 8 circuit with no bridges would make it interesting!

Driller

8,310 posts

278 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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Ayahuasca said:
Take away all spoilers and airfoils, so less dirty air preventing overtaking
De-restrict tyres completely, so more mechanical grip replacing downforce for to maintain high corner speeds
Allow teams to run chassis that they haven't built, so allowing privateer entrants
Allow teams to use any engine they like, so allowing massively powerful motors.

Result - exciting racing.


And by the way, F1 has gone 'backwards' before - remember adaptive suspension, traction control, ground effect fans, etc. All very high tech stuff. All banned.
Sorry I didn't see this and completely repeated what you said here in my post above.

marshalla

15,902 posts

201 months

Saturday 11th July 2015
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Idea - don't play around with the technical regs. any more, control the spending - but not through hard limits.

Put in place a rule that no team can spend more than 10% (or some other sensible figure) more than any other team. If a team wants to spend a lot, they have to arrange for teams without that level of funding to either get hold of the cash or be given the equivalent in development support by the richer teams.

Effect - either spending by the rich teams drops, reducing the performance gap by limiting their ability to exploit technology, or the poorer teams improve thanks to the donated assistance/cash.


(I know, I know - it wouldn't work. Politics would get in the way - but it would be great if it could happen. Hints of a return to the days when teams were sporting first and businesses 5th or 6th wink

Eric Mc

122,037 posts

265 months

Saturday 11th July 2015
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Also, it would be impossible to police. All a "team" has to do is set up multiple companies to handle different aspects of what they do - some based in overseas tax havens. Some teams already operate this way. Getting access to financial records to scrutinise who is spending how much on what would be a nightmare.

ZX10R NIN

27,618 posts

125 months

Saturday 11th July 2015
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There are 3 things that I think will help.

1) I'd make every team fill the tanks with the 100 litres at the start of each race, that would be the end of lift & coast.

2) Bring the noise back when you listen to the old 1.5 Turbos they sounded great if they sound fast then that makes a better show (it's one of the reasons I enjoy V8 Supercars compared to BTCC) once you have the sound then Use cameras that better portray the speed that the cars are doing.

3) Use camera's that portray the speed better at times they look like they're only doing 70mph if you show the speed along with the noise then they will be better to watch.

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

164 months

Saturday 11th July 2015
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sprinklers for a wet section brought on when a German is leading.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

157 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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I would get rid of the electric rubbish, there is now a specific formula for that.

I like the idea of a minimum fuel amount.

Less aerodynamics.

Choice of tyres.


rscott

14,761 posts

191 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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ZX10R NIN said:
There are 3 things that I think will help.

1) I'd make every team fill the tanks with the 100 litres at the start of each race, that would be the end of lift & coast.
I'd suggested this earlier and it was pointed out that the teams would just run a max fuel map for the first few laps to burn off what they consider unnecessary fuel to reduce the weight.

Crippo

1,186 posts

220 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Overtaking is what we want!

How do we improve that?

Allow DRS to be used anywhere, that makes it much more a game of chess rather than waiting just for the safe long straight.

Id like to see more powerful engines, slightly less down force and slightly wider tyres. I also would think just two tyre compounds that have more performance difference would be better, and perhaps a rule that states you need to run 2 lots of the slower tyre.

This would make strategy much harder to work out and the races less predictable.

the rest of it is absolutely fine.

ZX10R NIN

27,618 posts

125 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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rscott said:
ZX10R NIN said:
There are 3 things that I think will help.

1) I'd make every team fill the tanks with the 100 litres at the start of each race, that would be the end of lift & coast.
I'd suggested this earlier and it was pointed out that the teams would just run a max fuel map for the first few laps to burn off what they consider unnecessary fuel to reduce the weight.
It's means there are options that's all

MartG

20,683 posts

204 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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rscott said:
ZX10R NIN said:
There are 3 things that I think will help.

1) I'd make every team fill the tanks with the 100 litres at the start of each race, that would be the end of lift & coast.
I'd suggested this earlier and it was pointed out that the teams would just run a max fuel map for the first few laps to burn off what they consider unnecessary fuel to reduce the weight.
I also suggested it earlier, with the caveat that the FIA monitor fuel flow, and require the average to be fairly constant during the race to avoid teams burning off the 'excess' in the first few laps

ZX10R NIN

27,618 posts

125 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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The above seems like a good idea & it would be fairly simple to enforce.

Mr_Thyroid

1,995 posts

227 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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MartG said:
rscott said:
ZX10R NIN said:
There are 3 things that I think will help.

1) I'd make every team fill the tanks with the 100 litres at the start of each race, that would be the end of lift & coast.
I'd suggested this earlier and it was pointed out that the teams would just run a max fuel map for the first few laps to burn off what they consider unnecessary fuel to reduce the weight.
I also suggested it earlier, with the caveat that the FIA monitor fuel flow, and require the average to be fairly constant during the race to avoid teams burning off the 'excess' in the first few laps
Nope, don't like it. This is one of the things people hate about F1 at the moment - "the FIA monitor fuel flow", "average to be fairly constant during the race" - sounds boring to me. Unnecessary homogenisation.

ZX10R NIN

27,618 posts

125 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Mr_Thyroid said:
Nope, don't like it. This is one of the things people hate about F1 at the moment - "the FIA monitor fuel flow", "average to be fairly constant during the race" - sounds boring to me. Unnecessary homogenisation.
They monitor the fuel already so it's no different to what they do now, do you like the lift & coast we have now?