The Official 2015 British Grand Prix thread **SPOILERS**

The Official 2015 British Grand Prix thread **SPOILERS**

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Eric Mc

121,785 posts

264 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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Mr_Thyroid said:
Ah back in the days when girls were prettier, music had a tune, smoking was healthy and F1 didn't have pit stops.

(it's always been like this)
Not really. For 20 years (1961 to 1981/82), tactical (as opposed to emergency) pit stops almost went extinct.

Mr_Thyroid

1,995 posts

226 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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DJRC said:
OK, once again for the hard of understanding...Hamilton torched the in lap and torched the outlap. He was quickest in every sector. He came out at the end of the stops a cpl of seconds ahead. He had pace in clean air the Williams didn't have. So if the Williams had stopped their guys a lap earlier - it would have been traffic.

Williams were never going to win the race on pace alone no matter which way you want to slice it.
He came into the pits from 3rd (am I wrong?) so his in-lap is irrelevant. He was able to go quickest is every sector on his out lap because he was on new tyres and in clear air.

Williams should have done everything to ensure Hamilton did not get the undercut. This means as soon as they had a chance to come out in front of Perez they should have pitted. I guess Massa was running at least 1.5s ahead of Hamilton so he should have easily come out in front of Perez. Bottas could then have stayed out until Hamilton pitted - this would mean Hamilton would be unable to use his true pace and would have forced him to either pit, so his tyres would be approx same age as Massa's, or continue to lose time behind Bottas and have a larger gap to make up on newer tyres.

Of course this is easy to say in retrospect, and Williams didn't have the pace in the wet so it is irrelevant.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

245 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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Mr_Thyroid said:
Williams should have done everything to ensure Hamilton did not get the undercut.
Totally agree - I couldn't believe they didn't release Botas to pull as big a lead as possible while leaving the slightly slower Massa to delay the Mercedes'.

Sure - they might not have beaten the Mercs in the end - but they would have had a car on the podium instead of the Ferrari.

Vettel looks the unsung hero of this season. The only driver within half a lightyear of Hamilton/Rosberg in the points table and consistently finishing well ahead of Raikkonen who lags a long way behind in the points table.

Watching Alonso and Button potter round at the back with the Marussias is about the most pathetic thing I've ever seen in F1.

JonRB

74,404 posts

271 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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dr_gn said:
From the air, it's a complete mess, but I guess at least it's an identifiable mess. You've a job to see where the track starts and the multitude of corners, run-off areas and random bits of old tarmac end. As for the "wing" hehe
I've driven several incarnations of the Silverstone circuit over the years (and I mean actually driven, not played on a simulator) and I love the new layout. It's a shame we lost Bridge as that was an area of the previous incarnation that I really liked, but overall it's a great circuit.

superkartracer

8,959 posts

221 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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Fishtigua said:
it was all better in my day etc
Yeah like 2-3 years ago!?!?

superkartracer

8,959 posts

221 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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JonRB said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
superkartracer said:
This pitstop lark spoilt it for me.
Ah back in the days when girls were prettier, music had a tune, smoking was healthy and F1 didn't have pit stops.

(it's always been like this)
Then had to reinforce that by telling those of us who enjoyed the race today that we have low standards.
Paranoid delusions , often seen within the software development world hehe

I never actually forced low standard thinking on anyone , regards girls/music.. theres defo no argument there, hence we have to import sexy ladies these days ha ha, music... well hmmmmmm.... no comment.

Personally i still think the new rules/engine change have damaged it.

JonRB

74,404 posts

271 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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superkartracer said:
Paranoid delusions , often seen within the software development world hehe
Ad hominem attacks, often seen from people with insufficient intellect to debate directly.

You evidently have a Superiority Complex, so your response wasn't totally unexpected.

007 VXR

64,187 posts

186 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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Mr_Thyroid said:
DJRC said:
OK, once again for the hard of understanding...Hamilton torched the in lap and torched the outlap. He was quickest in every sector. He came out at the end of the stops a cpl of seconds ahead. He had pace in clean air the Williams didn't have. So if the Williams had stopped their guys a lap earlier - it would have been traffic.

Williams were never going to win the race on pace alone no matter which way you want to slice it.
He came into the pits from 3rd (am I wrong?) so his in-lap is irrelevant. He was able to go quickest is every sector on his out lap because he was on new tyres and in clear air.


In lap still makes a very big diffrence...

dr_gn

16,140 posts

183 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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JonRB said:
dr_gn said:
From the air, it's a complete mess, but I guess at least it's an identifiable mess. You've a job to see where the track starts and the multitude of corners, run-off areas and random bits of old tarmac end. As for the "wing" hehe
I've driven several incarnations of the Silverstone circuit over the years (and I mean actually driven, not played on a simulator) and I love the new layout. It's a shame we lost Bridge as that was an area of the previous incarnation that I really liked, but overall it's a great circuit.
If there was one place I could choose to watch a decent F1 car, the original Bridge would be it. I don't think it was 190mph, but it couldn't have been far off for some drivers. There were a few big accidents around there though, Lamy and DeCesaris spring to mind.

Exige77

6,518 posts

190 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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superkartracer said:
Personally i still think the new rules/engine change have damaged it.
So we didn't have the same driver winning over and over before then ?

Fuel saving ? I remember when cars used to regularly run out of fuel.

This is a thread for people who enjoy F1 and want to discuss it an not bleat on about "it was better before".

As said already, moaners should be directed to the Top Gear thread.

If you don't like F1, don't watch it.

Where you directed here by the Top Gear thread ?

superkartracer

8,959 posts

221 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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JonRB said:
superkartracer said:
Paranoid delusions , often seen within the software development world hehe
Ad hominem attacks, often seen from people with insufficient intellect to debate directly.

You evidently have a Superiority Complex, so your response wasn't totally unexpected.
Touched a nerve ? , nothing to debate.. , the race was boring , save the start.

You started with the armchair psychology...

Edited by superkartracer on Sunday 5th July 19:11

superkartracer

8,959 posts

221 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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Exige77 said:
superkartracer said:
Personally i still think the new rules/engine change have damaged it.
This is a thread for people who enjoy F1 and want to discuss it an not bleat on about "it was better before".
Yeah, hence i said - great start , then it was boring like , but great lewis won ; so a bit of discussion with a bit of disappointment regards the pits...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Not one for surveys but...

Edited by superkartracer on Sunday 5th July 19:31

dr_gn

16,140 posts

183 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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Exige77 said:
This is a thread for people who enjoy F1 and want to discuss it an not bleat on about "it was better before".
Says who?

Apparently not the person who started it...

Amateurish

7,697 posts

221 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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007 VXR said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
DJRC said:
OK, once again for the hard of understanding...Hamilton torched the in lap and torched the outlap. He was quickest in every sector. He came out at the end of the stops a cpl of seconds ahead. He had pace in clean air the Williams didn't have. So if the Williams had stopped their guys a lap earlier - it would have been traffic.

Williams were never going to win the race on pace alone no matter which way you want to slice it.
He came into the pits from 3rd (am I wrong?) so his in-lap is irrelevant. He was able to go quickest is every sector on his out lap because he was on new tyres and in clear air.


In lap still makes a very big diffrence...
He was stuck behind Bottas, so in lap made no difference.

I'm pretty sure that Hamilton emerged behind Perez from his pitstop, but quickly got past him. Williams pitstops also looked a bit slower than Mercedes, which wouldn't help.

Amateurish

7,697 posts

221 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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As for Williams "letting" Bottas past Massa, I can't think of any racer who would willingly concede the lead of the race to his team-mate. eta especially after the "fernando is faster than you" thing.

Edited by Amateurish on Sunday 5th July 19:16

Impasse

15,099 posts

240 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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Amateurish said:
As for Williams "letting" Bottas past Massa, I can't think of any racer who would willingly concede the lead of the race to his team-mate.
Fernando is faster than you.

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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Amateurish said:
As for Williams "letting" Bottas past Massa, I can't think of any racer who would willingly concede the lead of the race to his team-mate.
Uh, Felipe, Valteri is faster than you.....................

Amateurish

7,697 posts

221 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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Yep - just remember that after I posted!

Vaud

50,291 posts

154 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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superkartracer said:
Touched a nerve ? , nothing to debate.. , the race was boring , save the start.
I've just watched the race and dipped into the thread.

Boring race - I have to disagree. 5 laps from the end I had no idea who was going to win. Have to rewatch to see how Vet got from 10 to 3 as I missed his moves/strategy calls.

All drove well (that finished).

My driver of the day - HAM, that was a class drive, and I'm not his greatest fan.

Dr Z

3,396 posts

170 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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Impasse said:
Amateurish said:
As for Williams "letting" Bottas past Massa, I can't think of any racer who would willingly concede the lead of the race to his team-mate.
Fernando is faster than you.
Felt for Williams during that phase, must have been tough to not mention the fact that Bottas was faster. I just can't believe why Williams would basically hand both their drivers on a plate to Mercedes for that undercut. Was very strange and betrayed a total lack of imagination from Williams.

I suspect it might be something to do with them not wanting to hurt the sensibilities of both their drivers especially them running 1-2. I would be willing to bet that if it was Ferrari in that position, we could have seen a Bahrain style 2-pronged attack on the Mercs, maybe pitting Massa early and releasing Bottas. They really didn't have anything to lose, so why not do something daring? As it happened, Merc knew they were faster and were happy to sit behind for the undercut.