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DJRC said:
OK, once again for the hard of understanding...Hamilton torched the in lap and torched the outlap. He was quickest in every sector. He came out at the end of the stops a cpl of seconds ahead. He had pace in clean air the Williams didn't have. So if the Williams had stopped their guys a lap earlier - it would have been traffic.
Williams were never going to win the race on pace alone no matter which way you want to slice it.
He came into the pits from 3rd (am I wrong?) so his in-lap is irrelevant. He was able to go quickest is every sector on his out lap because he was on new tyres and in clear air.Williams were never going to win the race on pace alone no matter which way you want to slice it.
Williams should have done everything to ensure Hamilton did not get the undercut. This means as soon as they had a chance to come out in front of Perez they should have pitted. I guess Massa was running at least 1.5s ahead of Hamilton so he should have easily come out in front of Perez. Bottas could then have stayed out until Hamilton pitted - this would mean Hamilton would be unable to use his true pace and would have forced him to either pit, so his tyres would be approx same age as Massa's, or continue to lose time behind Bottas and have a larger gap to make up on newer tyres.
Of course this is easy to say in retrospect, and Williams didn't have the pace in the wet so it is irrelevant.
Mr_Thyroid said:
Williams should have done everything to ensure Hamilton did not get the undercut.
Totally agree - I couldn't believe they didn't release Botas to pull as big a lead as possible while leaving the slightly slower Massa to delay the Mercedes'.Sure - they might not have beaten the Mercs in the end - but they would have had a car on the podium instead of the Ferrari.
Vettel looks the unsung hero of this season. The only driver within half a lightyear of Hamilton/Rosberg in the points table and consistently finishing well ahead of Raikkonen who lags a long way behind in the points table.
Watching Alonso and Button potter round at the back with the Marussias is about the most pathetic thing I've ever seen in F1.
dr_gn said:
From the air, it's a complete mess, but I guess at least it's an identifiable mess. You've a job to see where the track starts and the multitude of corners, run-off areas and random bits of old tarmac end. As for the "wing"
I've driven several incarnations of the Silverstone circuit over the years (and I mean actually driven, not played on a simulator) and I love the new layout. It's a shame we lost Bridge as that was an area of the previous incarnation that I really liked, but overall it's a great circuit. JonRB said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
superkartracer said:
This pitstop lark spoilt it for me.
Ah back in the days when girls were prettier, music had a tune, smoking was healthy and F1 didn't have pit stops.(it's always been like this)
I never actually forced low standard thinking on anyone , regards girls/music.. theres defo no argument there, hence we have to import sexy ladies these days ha ha, music... well hmmmmmm.... no comment.
Personally i still think the new rules/engine change have damaged it.
Mr_Thyroid said:
DJRC said:
OK, once again for the hard of understanding...Hamilton torched the in lap and torched the outlap. He was quickest in every sector. He came out at the end of the stops a cpl of seconds ahead. He had pace in clean air the Williams didn't have. So if the Williams had stopped their guys a lap earlier - it would have been traffic.
Williams were never going to win the race on pace alone no matter which way you want to slice it.
He came into the pits from 3rd (am I wrong?) so his in-lap is irrelevant. He was able to go quickest is every sector on his out lap because he was on new tyres and in clear air.Williams were never going to win the race on pace alone no matter which way you want to slice it.
JonRB said:
dr_gn said:
From the air, it's a complete mess, but I guess at least it's an identifiable mess. You've a job to see where the track starts and the multitude of corners, run-off areas and random bits of old tarmac end. As for the "wing"
I've driven several incarnations of the Silverstone circuit over the years (and I mean actually driven, not played on a simulator) and I love the new layout. It's a shame we lost Bridge as that was an area of the previous incarnation that I really liked, but overall it's a great circuit. superkartracer said:
Personally i still think the new rules/engine change have damaged it.
So we didn't have the same driver winning over and over before then ?Fuel saving ? I remember when cars used to regularly run out of fuel.
This is a thread for people who enjoy F1 and want to discuss it an not bleat on about "it was better before".
As said already, moaners should be directed to the Top Gear thread.
If you don't like F1, don't watch it.
Where you directed here by the Top Gear thread ?
JonRB said:
superkartracer said:
Paranoid delusions , often seen within the software development world
Ad hominem attacks, often seen from people with insufficient intellect to debate directly. You evidently have a Superiority Complex, so your response wasn't totally unexpected.
You started with the armchair psychology...
Edited by superkartracer on Sunday 5th July 19:11
Exige77 said:
superkartracer said:
Personally i still think the new rules/engine change have damaged it.
This is a thread for people who enjoy F1 and want to discuss it an not bleat on about "it was better before".http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Not one for surveys but...
Edited by superkartracer on Sunday 5th July 19:31
007 VXR said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
DJRC said:
OK, once again for the hard of understanding...Hamilton torched the in lap and torched the outlap. He was quickest in every sector. He came out at the end of the stops a cpl of seconds ahead. He had pace in clean air the Williams didn't have. So if the Williams had stopped their guys a lap earlier - it would have been traffic.
Williams were never going to win the race on pace alone no matter which way you want to slice it.
He came into the pits from 3rd (am I wrong?) so his in-lap is irrelevant. He was able to go quickest is every sector on his out lap because he was on new tyres and in clear air.Williams were never going to win the race on pace alone no matter which way you want to slice it.
I'm pretty sure that Hamilton emerged behind Perez from his pitstop, but quickly got past him. Williams pitstops also looked a bit slower than Mercedes, which wouldn't help.
superkartracer said:
Touched a nerve ? , nothing to debate.. , the race was boring , save the start.
I've just watched the race and dipped into the thread.Boring race - I have to disagree. 5 laps from the end I had no idea who was going to win. Have to rewatch to see how Vet got from 10 to 3 as I missed his moves/strategy calls.
All drove well (that finished).
My driver of the day - HAM, that was a class drive, and I'm not his greatest fan.
Impasse said:
Amateurish said:
As for Williams "letting" Bottas past Massa, I can't think of any racer who would willingly concede the lead of the race to his team-mate.
Fernando is faster than you.I suspect it might be something to do with them not wanting to hurt the sensibilities of both their drivers especially them running 1-2. I would be willing to bet that if it was Ferrari in that position, we could have seen a Bahrain style 2-pronged attack on the Mercs, maybe pitting Massa early and releasing Bottas. They really didn't have anything to lose, so why not do something daring? As it happened, Merc knew they were faster and were happy to sit behind for the undercut.
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